Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan arrested outside White House

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by dissention

How droll.

I hope you didn't find what I said to be humorous.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Besides....the boy signed up to be in the service, if he was expecting to never SERVE then he was in the wrong line of work.

It's kind of a given that when you sign up for service, you have faith that your life is only going to be jeopardized when it's necessary and won't be sent to die based on lies and misinformation, or for political reasons.

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I'm sorry that he died, it's a shame, but I think when parents do what she is doing it dishonors their memory.

Yeah, it's such a dishonorable thing to protest the needless deaths of innocent people.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by dissention

It's kind of a given that when you sign up for service, you have faith that your life is only going to be jeopardized when it's necessary and won't be sent to die based on lies and misinformation, or for political reasons.

If he found his service to be truly unecessary, I believe he would have left the service and been discharged. You're looking at it from a one-sided perspective.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by dissention

It's kind of a given that when you sign up for service, you have faith that your life is only going to be jeopardized when it's necessary and won't be sent to die based on lies and misinformation, or for political reasons.



Yeah, it's such a dishonorable thing to protest the needless deaths of innocent people.

Now you're dishonoring the dead boy by saying his death was needless! You should remove the foot from your mouth and quit while you're ahead, and I'm bowing out of this one.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I didn't make any judgements for him. I specifically said "I WONDER what her son would think"

Besides....the boy signed up to be in the service, if he was expecting to never SERVE then he was in the wrong line of work. I'm sorry that he died, it's a shame, but I think when parents do what she is doing it dishonors their memory.

But, that begs the question of what war was he fighting? Was it to remove the WMD W and his cronies not only told us were there but that they knew where to find them, to fight the lied about threat of a possible nuclear bomb, etc. That is this woman's point. She is not complaining about going to war for those specific reasons (WMD, nuclear bombs, etc. ) - which is what the Bush Administration told us and most people had no problem fighting for those reasons if they had been true

This woman is pissed because after the fact, we learned that not only were those reasons bogus, but the Bush Admin. knew they were bogus and went to war anyway and they now rely solely on the reason that SH was an all around bad guy - which is not really part of the war on terror or the immediate threat that justifies a war, etc. So, it is not that her son enlisted or died thinking he was serving his country - those are honorable things. The dishonor is not on him, but on W and his cronies for sending us to a war we never had to fight.

But, you do not accept that we never had to invade Iraq or that W lied about the reasons for doing so. Moreover, you indicated all dissent in a time of war is wrong. So, I think this point is lost on you

[DavidMn]

I just dont get why it's a big deal if she goes there to express her feelings. I mean, she's not threatning anyone the last time I checked. WHether I agree with her or not, this is a free country.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

If he found his service to be truly unecessary, I believe he would have left the service and been discharged. You're looking at it from a one-sided perspective.

Well, with respect, so are you.

Don't you think it is possible this poor young guy thought he was going to war for the reasons W told us and that he was protecting his country from the immediate threat W told us SH posed, which we now know was a lie. He was not there for that reason. W put him there to face his death based on lies and manipulation. But and again and with repsect, I do not think you acknowledge that W lied about the war in Iraq, which makes a discussion of the facts somewhat difficult.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

I just dont get why it's a big deal if she goes there to express her feelings. I mean, she's not threatning anyone the last time I checked. WHether I agree with her or not, this is a free country.

You cannot camp out on the sidewalk of the WH, just like you cannot camp out on the sidewalk in front of any public building. The police will arrest you for failure to move on.

Again, this woman did this with the sole intent of getting arrested as there is no way the powers controlling her thought the police would say "Oh - hey - its Cindy S. - let's let her stay and protest."

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Now you're dishonoring the dead boy by saying his death was needless! You should remove the foot from your mouth and quit while you're ahead, and I'm bowing out of this one.

His death was needless. All facts demonstrate we never needed to invade Iraq despite W's lies to the contrary.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, with respect, so are you.

Don't you think it is possible this poor young guy thought he was going to war for the reasons W told us and that he was protecting his country from the immediate threat W told us SH posed, which we now know was a lie. He was not there for that reason. W put him there to face his death based on lies and manipulation. But and again and with repsect, I do not think you acknowledge that W lied about the war in Iraq, which makes a discussion of the facts somewhat difficult.

I have to agree with this.

Also, I can't help but agree with Josh when he says that those deaths (including Sheehan's son's) were needless. I mean no disrespect to the soldiers when I make that assertion; I mean disrepect to the administration.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

You cannot camp out on the sidewalk of the WH, just like you cannot camp out on the sidewalk in front of any public building. The police will arrest you for failure to move on.

Again, this woman did this with the sole intent of getting arrested as there is no way the powers controlling her thought the police would say "Oh - hey - its Cindy S. - let's let her stay and protest."

Yeah, you're probably right. I know security concerns are a lot higher now. So maybe it was a publicity stunt on her part. I probably need to be more cynical?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by DavidMn

Yeah, you're probably right. I know security concerns are a lot higher now. So maybe it was a publicity stunt on her part. I probably need to be more cynical?

You are fine the way you are

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

You are fine the way you are

I agree. There's probably too much cynicism in this world, David.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

You are fine the way you are

Hey I jsut try to keep an open mind I guess. I know my kind are sort of a dying breed.

[DavidMn]

Originally Posted by GateandGarden

I have to agree with this.

Also, I can't help but agree with Josh when he says that those deaths (including Sheehan's son's) were needless. I mean no disrespect to the soldiers when I make that assertion; I mean disrepect to the administration.

Now that's what I'm talking about. I like how you can differentiate between the soldiers and the administration. Very well said.