They Really Dropped the Ball..

[amber]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

A friend on another list believes that lie that the gov never asked for help from the feds. Probably half the people believe it. I hate this administration. They're heartless and possibly souless. And they're probably going to get away with this one too the slimy bastards. Why?

I didn't know some people thought that. Won't Blanco raise holy hell? There's no way that can work, there's been too much publicity.

[wondergirl9847]

Should she have HAD to ask for help? I mean, it was on the news, the weathermen were saying "Oh man, this'll be a doozy. This is serious." They should have been watching and waiting, preparing in advance.

Oh wait, only smart people would have done that. Nevermind.

Perhaps, we all need to email that timeline I posted to all our friends and family. I mean, I get stupid a$$ emails that say "Pass this on and you'll get money.", so why not that list, eh?

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

Should she have HAD to ask for help? I mean, it was on the news, the weathermen were saying "Oh man, this'll be a doozy. This is serious." They should have been watching and waiting, preparing in advance.

Oh wait, only smart people would have done that. Nevermind.

Perhaps, we all need to email that timeline I posted to all our friends and family. I mean, I get stupid a$$ emails that say "Pass this on and you'll get money.", so why not that list, eh?

She did ask for help - to wit:


August 28, 2005

The President The White House Washington, D. C.

Through: Regional Director FEMA Region VI 800 North Loop 288 Denton, Texas 76209

Dear Mr. President:

Under the provisions of Section 501 (a) of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5121-5206 (Stafford Act), and implemented by 44 CFR § 206.35, I request that you declare an emergency for the State of Louisiana due to Hurricane Katrina for the time period beginning August 26, 2005, and continuing. The affected areas are all the southeastern parishes including the New Orleans Metropolitan area and the mid state Interstate I-49 corridor and northern parishes along the I-20 corridor that are accepting the thousands of citizens evacuating from the areas expecting to be flooded as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

In response to the situation I have taken appropriate action under State law and directed the execution of the State Emergency Plan on August 26, 2005 in accordance with Section 501 (a) of the Stafford Act. A State of Emergency has been issued for the State in order to support the evacuations of the coastal areas in accordance with our State Evacuation Plan and the remainder of the state to support the State Special Needs and Sheltering Plan.

Pursuant to 44 CFR § 206.35, I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster. I am specifically requesting emergency protective measures, direct Federal Assistance, Individual and Household Program (IHP) assistance, Special Needs Program assistance, and debris removal.

Preliminary estimates of the types and amount of emergency assistance needed under the Stafford Act, and emergency assistance from certain Federal agencies under other statutory authorities are tabulated in Enclosure A.

The following information is furnished on the nature and amount of State and local resources that have been or will be used to alleviate the conditions of this emergency: • Department of Social Services (DSS): Opening (3) Special Need Shelters (SNS) and establishing (3) on Standby. • Department of Health and Hospitals (DHH): Opening (3) Shelters and establishing (3) on Standby. • Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (OHSEP): Providing generators and support staff for SNS and Public Shelters. • Louisiana State Police (LSP): Providing support for the phased evacuation of the coastal areas. • Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (WLF): Supporting the evacuation of the affected population and preparing for Search and Rescue Missions.

Mr. President Page Two August 28, 2005

• Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development (DOTD): Coordinating traffic flow and management of the evacuations routes with local officials and the State of Mississippi.

The following information is furnished on efforts and resources of other Federal agencies, which have been or will be used in responding to this incident:

• FEMA ERT-A Team en-route.

I certify that for this emergency, the State and local governments will assume all applicable non-Federal share of costs required by the Stafford Act.

I request Direct Federal assistance for work and services to save lives and protect property.

(a) List any reasons State and local government cannot perform or contract for performance, (if applicable).

(b) Specify the type of assistance requested.

In accordance with 44 CFR § 206.208, the State of Louisiana agrees that it will, with respect to Direct Federal assistance:

Provide without cost to the United States all lands, easement, and rights-of-ways necessary to accomplish the approved work.

Hold and save the United States free from damages due to the requested work, and shall indemnify the Federal Government against any claims arising from such work;

Provide reimbursement to FEMA for the non-Federal share of the cost of such work in accordance with the provisions of the FEMA-State Agreement; and

Assist the performing Federal agency in all support and local jurisdictional matters.

In addition, I anticipate the need for debris removal, which poses an immediate threat to lives, public health, and safety.

Pursuant to Sections 502 and 407 of the Stafford Act, 42 U.S.C. §§ 5192 & 5173, the State agrees to indemnify and hold harmless the United States of America for any claims arising from the removal of debris or wreckage for this disaster. The State agrees that debris removal from public and private property will not occur until the landowner signs an unconditional authorization for the removal of debris.

I have designated Mr. Art Jones as the State Coordinating Officer for this request. He will work with the Federal Emergency Management Agency in damage assessments and may provide further information or justification on my behalf.

Sincerely,

Kathleen Babineaux Blanco Governor Enclosure

ENCLOSURE A TO EMERGENCY REQUEST

Estimated requirements for other Federal agency programs:

• Department of Social Services (DSS): Opening (3) Special Need Shelters (SNS) and establishing (3) on Standby. Costs estimated at $500,000 per week for each in operation.

• Department of Health and Hospitals (DHH): Opening (3) Shelters and establishing (3) on Standby. Costs estimated at $500,000 per week for each in operation.

• Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (OHSEP): Providing generators and support staff for SNS and Public Shelters. Costs estimated to range from $250,000-$500,000 to support (6) Shelter generator operations.

• Louisiana State Police (LSP): Costs to support evacuations - $300,000 for a non-direct landfall.

• Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (WLF): Costs to support evacuations - $200,000 for a non-direct landfall.

• Louisiana Department of Transportation and Development (DOTD): Costs to support evacuations - $2,000,000 for a non-direct landfall.

Totals: $ 9,000,000

Estimated Requirements for assistance under the Stafford Act:

Coordination: $0

Technical and advisory assistance: $0

Debris removal: $0

Emergency protective measures: $ 9,000,000

Individuals and Households Program (IHP): $0

Distribution of emergency supplies: $0

Other (specify): $0

Totals: $ 9,000,000

Grand Total: $ 9,000,000

__________________________________________________________

Then, FEMA was obviously in charge of NOLA when they, not the state or local govt., were the ones that refused all of the countless aid offers like the truckloads from Walmart, etc.

Moreover, FEMA said it was unaware of the 30,000+ people eight or so blocks form the Superdome, where it was. I mean FEMA people were dropping most of those 30,000 people at the Convention Center and FEMA and W said as of Wed. that it was preparing stuff for all these people. So, yes, the state and local govt. should have done more prior to the storm. But, FEMA apparently took control after that.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

"A great deal of research supports Ms. Coulter's wisecracks." - NEW YORK TIMES

Are you quoting from the Maslin review of "Slander"? If so:

[amber]

I think Christy knows she asked for help, but she wonders, like I do, why that was necessary. Everyone and their mom knew about it, but apparently FEMA and the Fed. Gov't. were out of the loop - is what she's saying.
I wondered that, too, although some of the articles I read here said FEMA did have people ready, but they did not deploy them. I figure that she has to ask for help at least formally, with documents and all that, just because you have to do that sort of thing, but it seems like in this case it should have been just a formality - everyone responsible for bringing help should've already been ready.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by amber

I think Christy knows she asked for help, but she wonders, like I do, why that was necessary. Everyone and their mom knew about it, but apparently FEMA and the Fed. Gov't. were out of the loop - is what she's saying.
I wondered that, too, although some of the articles I read here said FEMA did have people ready, but they did not deploy them. I figure that she has to ask for help at least formally, with documents and all that, just because you have to do that sort of thing, but it seems like in this case it should have been just a formality - everyone responsible for bringing help should've already been ready.

I know - I was just showing that she did ask for help because people (not Christy) are saying she did not.

[amber]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

I know - I was just showing that she did ask for help because people (not Christy) are saying she did not.

Ah, sorry. The quoting of her, and saying "to wit" confused me.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by SuzeQuze

Someone told Cheney "go f*ck yourself" today. He said it twice.

I saw that on the news. Hopefully Crooks And Liars will have the unedited video.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I saw that on the news. Hopefully Crooks And Liars will have the unedited video.

It was all over the news this evening - on more than one channel Oh well, if it is good enough for the floor of the Senate

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I saw that on the news. Hopefully Crooks And Liars will have the unedited video.

Did you see Thomas on 360? He was rescued from the water and the doctor and Cooper were talking about the federal government's lack of response and this guy Thomas was protesting "No, no, I don't want to have nothing to do with that" and then proceeded to try and explain that he didn't want his public assistance and food stamps discontinued by saying anything. Once they got off the boat, he whipped out his food stamps and ID. My word.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

It was all over the news this evening - on more than one channel Oh well, if it is good enough for the floor of the Senate

I've only caught a few minutes so far. I'm sure I'll see it.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

It was all over the news this evening - on more than one channel Oh well, if it is good enough for the floor of the Senate

And Cheney said "That's the first time I've heard anything like that."

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

Did you see Thomas on 360? He was rescued from the water and the doctor and Cooper were talking about the federal government's lack of response and this guy Thomas was protesting "No, no, I don't want to have nothing to do with that" and then proceeded to try and explain that he didn't want his public assistance and food stamps discontinued by saying anything. Once they got off the boat, he whipped out his food stamps and ID. My word.

No, I only got to see the last 15 minutes of Anderson this evening. I'm seriously considering getting TiVo just so I can watch his whole show.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

And Cheney said "That's the first time I've heard anything like that."

I know. That one cracked me up pretty good. He is one slimy mofo.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

No, I only got to see the last 15 minutes of Anderson this evening. I'm seriously considering getting TiVo just so I can watch his whole show.

Not sure if he showed them in the last 15 minutes, but he had pictures of mutilated bodies from the Convention Center that had been mutilated after death. I couldn't believe it. Tomorrow is supposed to have footage from inside the Convention Center.