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Old 08-20-2005, 11:30 AM
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also, I still wished the Stevie Nicks shows would be similar to the U2 shows (I received a few "Street Angel" shows on DVD recently, And all I can say is that they are typical of the Stevie Nicks bootleg/trading circles in terms of quality.)

I agree Brian. I wish Stevie/Mac DVD's could be like the U2 ones. They are so amazing.

About buying these DVD's and others...I don't see a big problem with it. When a DVD is being sold for 20 bucks and 10 people buy it all together it only comes to 2 dollars a person. Not a biggie.

I love collecting cds and dvds. Anything out there I want....

Just wanted to add that I wouldn't sell bootlegs. I like to trade and if somebody doesnt have something to trade I am always willing to do a 2:1.

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Old 08-20-2005, 11:37 AM
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You obviously feel guilty or you would not have responded.
The lack of integrity on this subject is blaringly obvious.
No one can make you feel anything..that is up to you.
I don't feel guilt at all and I am sure Chris doesn't feel guilty. A group of us gets together and buys the DVDs that are being sold and then we trade them. It's not a big deal...

I LOVE BOOTLEGS!!!!
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Old 08-20-2005, 11:41 AM
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I agree Brian. I wish Stevie/Mac DVD's could be like the U2 ones. They are so amazing.

About buying these DVD's and others...I don't see a big problem with it. When a DVD is being sold for 20 bucks and 10 people buy it all together it only comes to 2 dollars a person. Not a biggie.

I love collecting cds and dvds. Anything out there I want....

Just wanted to add that I wouldn't sell bootlegs. I like to trade and if somebody doesnt have something to trade I am always willing to do a 2:1.

Why are the U2 ones so amazing? How do they record them? Figures the artists that I don't like have great boots. That might change when a certain someone tours.

I used to buy CDs and DVDs at record shows back in the day when I did not know any better. I paid about $25.00 for my Mirage DVD back in 2000. Now I share it and all my others freely by trading.
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Old 08-20-2005, 11:44 AM
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Why are the U2 ones so amazing? How do they record them? Figures the artists that I don't like have great boots. That might change when a certain someone tours.
I'll send you the two U2 DVDs I have Pattie.

It's a 4 Cam mix. It's like watching an officialy released dvd.
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Old 08-20-2005, 01:39 PM
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It's a 4 Cam mix. It's like watching an officialy released dvd.
the 4 camera mix of the March 28,2005 San Diego show is as close to an official release...Without being an official release.

The multi-angle shots, The split screen shots and the 4 corner shots are unheard of for an audience recording, But that was before U2Preservation.com proved it can be done.

Hell, U2 tapers has taken audience videos in the recent past and synced 'em up with ALD/IEM/Soundboard sourced audio recording to make some brilliant shows that not only look great, But have great audio backing tracks.
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I don't feel guilt at all and I am sure Chris doesn't feel guilty. A group of us gets together and buys the DVDs that are being sold and then we trade them. It's not a big deal...

I LOVE BOOTLEGS!!!!

No, that's cool (really cool in fact). I don't want anyone to think I'm on the anti-bootleg train. I just agree with David, that's all.
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Old 08-20-2005, 02:29 PM
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It was you who claimed that Stevie's opinion had been well documented, not anyone else, but We'll give you a for effort.
It is obviously an integrity issue...
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It is obviously an integrity issue...

Stevie allows digital cameras at her shows. She also owns a digital camera so she is well aware they record also.
I have heard her comment about bootleggers mostly in context of her stolen demos and IMHO, she sounds most angry at the fact they were stolen from her house. I don't usually buy stuff, I prefer to trade but I have no problem with people buying these dvds. I have bought stuff from Bill in the past. I will get these from trade most likely but if I want them bad enough, I will just buy em first. It is an individual choice and from the tone of your posts, I assume you have none of Stevie's unreleased material? You have never heard any of the unreleased BN tracks? Never seen the Rumours Japan footage? I certainly respect your choice if you only have released material on your computer and on your cds.

BTW...this is a whole other can of worms but where did the TiSL demos come from? Yea, I know ebay but how did they get on ebay? Stuff suddenly and randomly appears. My Heart appeared at an interesting time...when intense negotiations were going on with WB and Stevie was very unhappy with their Greatest Hits plan. Coincidence? Probably.
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Old 08-20-2005, 03:11 PM
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BTW...this is a whole other can of worms but where did the TiSL demos come from? Yea, I know ebay but how did they get on ebay? Stuff suddenly and randomly appears. My Heart appeared at an interesting time...when intense negotiations were going on with WB and Stevie was very unhappy with their Greatest Hits plan. Coincidence? Probably.

Kelly, i often wondered about all that myself.. especially those TISL demos... nothing comes from nothing and i highly doubt someone "stole her tapes" yet again
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Old 08-20-2005, 04:38 PM
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when intense negotiations were going on with WB and Stevie was very unhappy with their Greatest Hits plan. Coincidence? Probably.
Huh? Really... So what were the "intense" negotiations about?

My Heart came out long before we even heard about a possible Greatest Hits collection. It was discovered in November, 2004 when someone bought an acetate of TISL or a final mix of the cd or something like that..
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Old 08-20-2005, 06:17 PM
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Stevie allows digital cameras at her shows. She also owns a digital camera so she is well aware they record also.

Not at any of the shows I've been to

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Old 08-20-2005, 08:59 PM
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Hi everybody.......I'm new here........I'm interested in the DVD's as well despite the debate that's going on..........Who is Bill and how do I get a hold of him....????

Thanks....

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Old 08-20-2005, 11:02 PM
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Well this is my stance on the issue.

I do NOT agree with anybody making a dime of the bootlegs. I don't mind trading but when you sell them for any amount of money it just seesm like a low thng to do.

However I have many times requested certain shows and not one member has offerd me the shows. I am new at all of this so I my response is always that een though I have no fm things to trade for I can send you a blank CD or DVD and money for the shiping etc for your troubles. But the response I have always gotten is things like "I have them but I am not trading for them right now". So why then should it be so wrong for people to buy them or sell them when at least from my perspective that seems the only way to get them. I come form Canada and since fm and any of the members rarely play here It would mean something to me to have all of there Cdn shows in my collection. I have asked countless times here and on other boards for any copies that might be floating about but not ONE person has offered me the shows unless I have offered money and even at that I still have yet to obtain a single Bootleg from any show.


My brother has countless bootlegs from Tori Amos hows where he only has to send a blank CD or DVD and some money for postage and handling. To me that is how it should be done. No one loses out in the end.

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Old 08-21-2005, 07:40 AM
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Not at any of the shows I've been to

Chris

Okay. In Vegas Caesars does not normally allow cameras. The security guys specifically told us that "STEVIE" was allowing cameras, as long as they were not professional recording equipment. The guys seemed genuinely surprised, like they do not see that often.
We were allowed to take photos in Philly and Atlantic City as well. In Hershey, my friends were told to take their cameras back to the car but other people took photos. I have seen Stevie look at people photographing her and not a darn thing is done to stop them....if they are using a flash, maybe they will be asked to turn off the flash.
I remember a fan from some FM board comment that they started to take a photo of Stevie, from right in the front row. She was a young fan and got sort of rattled when Stevie looked at her. She came right on one of these boards and said that Stevie smiled at her and mouthed "its ok".
Stevie has no problem with fans taking photos. If she did, people would be stopped much more often and band members wouldn't be posing for shots.

* I do not think that Stevie wants her shows recorded though. Or videotaped from beginning to end and sold on dvds. However, she allows digital cameras, so logically she knows people can take video clips.
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Old 08-21-2005, 12:29 PM
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Exclamation I used to do B&P trades...

but too many people are either too lazy to read my guidelines (ie-Want more discs than I allow for a B&P or they do not send the right type of blank media for me to use) or they're just too damn stupid too.

I prefer B&P trades over 2:1 trades since most trading circles (ie other artists) frown down upon the practice of 2:1 trades as a type of "profitting" (I will occassionally do a 2:1 trade for a newbie ONLY who doesnt have anything trade wise as a foundation to build a collection with.)
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