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[dissention]

Originally Posted by Kelly

The thing is Stevie lives on like another planet, from most of us. She thinks of the military as the people who keep her safe and because these guys were hurt over in Iraq..she makes a statement about Saddam/9/11 (the time Stevie felt most vulnerable) without really thinking. I never thought for one minute that she believed that we are in Iraq because of 9/11...it is just the way things come out of her mouth. It is frustrating and she tends to do it alot when discussing other stuff too. Poor Lindsey will take the wrap forever from the Chiffon Heads for the cardigan..and that ain't what she meant it to come out like at all. Sometimes she says things with a very childlike innocense, unfortunately.

Overall it was a wonderful, heartfelt thing she did and I hope to God she doesn't decide to never post her journal entries again.

BTW..Stevie has been donating to the Democratic Party since the 80's. She is not a Bush supporter.

I think Stevie is a little naive girl when it comes to politics, however unpopular that belief may be. The comment she made about Jackson Browne many moons ago proved as much to me. It's a great, amazing thing that she visited the hospital and cares enough to do it, but I have to wonder why people expect Stevie Nicks to have informed political opinions.

And when did she donate to the DNC as recently as last summer? There's no doubt that she's a Democrat, but if you look her up on Newsmeat, the last time she made any political donations was four years ago.

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by Kelly

The thing is Stevie lives on like another planet, from most of us. She thinks of the military as the people who keep her safe and because these guys were hurt over in Iraq..she makes a statement about Saddam/9/11 (the time Stevie felt most vulnerable) without really thinking. I never thought for one minute that she believed that we are in Iraq because of 9/11...it is just the way things come out of her mouth. It is frustrating and she tends to do it alot when discussing other stuff too. Poor Lindsey will take the wrap forever from the Chiffon Heads for the cardigan..and that ain't what she meant it to come out like at all. Sometimes she says things with a very childlike innocense, unfortunately.

Kelly, i know exactly what you mean.... she does this all the time in interviews... it's as if she fabricates things unintentionally to make the story sound more appealing..

She doesn't do this all the time, but she does do it quite a bit i've noticed..

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by dissention

And when did she donate to the DNC as recently as last summer?

uhhhm, last summer.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

uhhhm, last summer.

Got proof?

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_po...evie_Nicks.php

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

Kelly, i know exactly what you mean.... she does this all the time in interviews... it's as if she fabricates things unintentionally to make the story sound more appealing..

She doesn't do this all the time, but she does do it quite a bit i've noticed..

Judy Garland was often noted for her elaborate and wildly fascinating anecdotes, which typically played fast and loose with actual facts.
She wasn't being intentionally deceitful, she was simply being an entertaining interviewee.

I tend to regard Stevie in the same manner... as a gifted raconteur.

[littlecricket2]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Judy Garland was often noted for her elaborate and wildly fascinating anecdotes, which typically played fast and loose with actual facts.
She wasn't being intentionally deceitful, she was simply being an entertaining interviewee.

I tend to regard Stevie in the same manner... as a gifted raconteur.

Hmmm...well, I guess as long as we don't count on anything Stevie says as the truth, it's all good.

[skcin]

Originally Posted by dissention

I think Stevie is a little naive girl when it comes to politics, however unpopular that belief may be. The comment she made about Jackson Browne many moons ago proved as much to me. It's a great, amazing thing that she visited the hospital and cares enough to do it, but I have to wonder why people expect Stevie Nicks to have informed political opinions.

I agree. And I don't really care. I don't understand why people (not Ledgies specifically, I mean people in general) expect all celebrities to be politically savy - they are not politicians, they are actors, musicians, etc. I personally don't give a **** what she (or any other "famous" person) believes about our government, or what her opinions are on the war, or Social Security, or whatever. I just don't. That's her business & it has no bearing on my life.

I love Stevie for her words & music, not who she votes for or gives money to. I think it's wonderful that she went to the hospital & that she is a very generous person.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by Kelly

BTW..Stevie has been donating to the Democratic Party since the 80's. She is not a Bush supporter.

I never thought she was a Bush supporter. And I'm well aware of her polititcal donations. You can find them here: www.newsmeat.com

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

Got proof?

http://www.newsmeat.com/celebrity_po...evie_Nicks.php

I couldn't find it either.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I couldn't find it either.

Because she never donated to the DNC, much less made a poltical donation that the FEC knows about in the past four years. The closest she came was donating to the Texas Democratic Party in '01.

Stevie a Republican, though? Ha. She loves Clinton too much.

[mcboo]

Originally Posted by skcin

I agree. And I don't really care. I don't understand why people (not Ledgies specifically, I mean people in general) expect all celebrities to be politically savy - they are not politicians, they are actors, musicians, etc. I personally don't give a **** what she (or any other "famous" person) believes about our government, or what her opinions are on the war, or Social Security, or whatever. I just don't. That's her business & it has no bearing on my life.

I love Stevie for her words & music, not who she votes for or gives money to. I think it's wonderful that she went to the hospital & that she is a very generous person.

AMEN!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

Because she never donated to the DNC, much less made a poltical donation that the FEC knows about in the past four years. The closest she came was donating to the Texas Democratic Party in '01.

Stevie a Republican, though? Ha. She loves Clinton too much.

Like I said, we need Sheryl to send her an email clarifying the Saddam-9/11 thing.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Like I said, we need Sheryl to send her an email clarifying the Saddam-9/11 thing.

I have that long letter she posted on her site before the invasion around here somewhere. That thing was incredibly well-written and articulate; she's one smart cookie.

[strandinthewind]

I was thinking about her statement:

. . . She said~ whatever it takes to keep war from our shores. Whatever it takes to keep 9-11 from happening again. It’s all about freedom and our way of life. I asked these same questions when I worked at the prisoner of war camp in World War II~ whatever it takes to keep war from our cities. These young men are, in no uncertain terms, fighting for our freedom.

I think the prior statement:

. . . we had a show in Charlotte the next day and I needed to go to sleep. But I couldn’t sleep. The faces of my new found injured friends haunted my thoughts~ so I called my mother in Phoenix knowing that she would listen to what I had written and calm me so I could sleep. I read my words to her, as I have done so many times before, and I cried. How could this happen? What can I do? Mom, they are so young, I just can’t stand it…She listened, as she always has, and began to weave her wisdom around me.

indicates La Nicks was lamenting the fact that these soldiers were there and that this has happened to them. I think that demonstrates that La Nicks is not happy they are there and IMO means she knows that the reasoning behind them being there was fallacious and she is upset about it.

This is where I think it gets complicated - I think the lines from her mother are for the troops. I think that La Nicks knows she cannot and should not walk into Walter Reed Hospital and announce with all of her political acumen that the war was a sham, these guys were hoodwinked, they were injured in vain, and they are fools for believing in whatever they believe that is contrary to what she believes. I think that would be inappropriate because many there do not look at it that way. They look at it as they were fighting to protect our freedom, which brings us to the second quote above. Thus, I think maybe she was being polite.

Finally, I know this is not popular, but the war in Iraq is directly related to the war on terror because the war on terror is broader than OBL and Al-Q. After all, OBL is not the only terrorist on the planet. In fact, SH was a terrorist. There is no question about that. SH also had attacked/invaded an American allies (Kuwaitt anbd Israel) and the sanctions etc. that eventually did him in were a result of those aggressive and terroristic acts. Thus, it is reasonable to assume that his terroristic regime fits in the enemy side of the war on terror even though SH had nothing to do with the actual attacks on 9/11 and SH had nothing to do with OBL and Al-Q. Now, and let me be clear here, that does not in any way justify W's lying to invade Iraq and his IMO more catastrophic failure to have any any rationale plan after the invasion. That is a sep. thing from Iraq being an enemy in the war on terrorism, which it clearly was, albeit it was a minor one in hindsight and finding OBL and Al-Q cells CLEARLY should have taken precedent. In other words, the world thought SH has WMD and it via the UN and other means had been trying to eradicate terrorism in Iraq/SH for years prior to W; its actions thwarted by SH. W just took the next step and actually invaded Iraq after the prior two Presidents along with the UN unsuccessfully tried to bend SH by starving Iraq to death along with missle strikes. Which was worse the prior two or W - well who knows because they were both bad and hundreds of thousands of innocent people died.

In the end, Iraq's stubborn, insane, and terroristic leader was an enemy in the war on terror; that really cannot be contradicted. The question was and is how serious an enemy were they and was it worth all we have done to erradicate that enemy when the far more direct threat of OBL and Al-Q still looms over us. I say it was not worth it and W was an idiot and a coward for not pursuing OBL to the ends of the Earth and instead using Iraq and peoples' hatred of all Middle Eastern people as a diversion for his failure to catch OBL.

I think Stevie probably does as well based on things she has said in the past. But, I also think she correctly is saying that these soldiers are fighting for our freedom no matter how inane the powers to be here are and no matter how wrongly chosen the battle was.

Anyway - my $0.02 - and please do not fire back with I am linking SH to 9/11 or justifying W's idiotic war in Iraq. I am not doing that.

[ELIUD]

Really I don't think Stevie or her mother clearly expressed where they stand politically on the Iraq war but why it is important to keep doing the things Stevie does to help people who are suffering feel better. Plus I don't think the comments of a sleepy-headed 80-year old woman should be taken as political rhetoric when she's trying to comfort her crying 57-year old daughter in the middle of the night.