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[dissention]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Lyndie England.

a.k.a. Satan's henchwoman.

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by littlecricket2

I think Stevie is super sweet to visit the vets and write about it, but has anyone ever noticed that Stevie always talks in terms of men and pretty much never mentions women in the military? It's always "those men," "husbands, fathers, brothers, sons," etc. In the letter to the soldiers during the Gulf War, in the song "Desert Angel," and now. I'm just surprised that no one has mentioned this yet.

We talked about it a few months ago when we were discussing Desert Angel. I made the same point, because that verse in DA has always bothered me, too. Strange, eh, that she would not mention the women who serve?

[littlecricket2]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

We talked about it a few months ago when we were discussing Desert Angel. I made the same point, because that verse in DA has always bothered me, too. Strange, eh, that she would not mention the women who serve?

I agree, but I think I just figured out why she has this oversight all the time: Stevie thinks primarily about relationships between men and women. So her generalizations when she's writing about the military reflect this! Notice that when she talks about only the men fighting overseas, she usually mentions only the women being home worried about them or mourning them! She talks about sisters worried about brothers (never brothers worried about brothers), mothers worried about sons (she doesn't generally mention the fathers worried about sons), etc. So Stevie really seems to fit everything into a male-female perspective. I guess the fact that most of her songwriting and poetry deals with male-female relationships might have something to do with that! Still, it's a little off-putting to me, though I understand she means well and I think she's wonderful to give of her time this way.

[jwd]

And I will do something. Me and my guitar player, friend, Waddy~ and my dear little assistant, Karen. We will think of something. We’ll start a foundation, we will tell the world what we saw~ we’ll keep tabs on our boys at Walter Reed~ and we will love them every day in our hearts~ and we will WISH THEM WELL.

That was a beautiful and heartfelt sentiment from Stevie.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by jwd

That was a beautiful and heartfelt sentiment from Stevie.

I agree... but please, please, please, Stevie, don't "tell the world" in another seven-minute epic song. I just cringe at the thought of "Desert Angel 2005/Freedom" medley.

[Mokona]

I don't agree with Stevie's mom and always thought Stevie wouldn't be a supporter of Bush since I saw those photos of her snuggling up to Clinton, but whatever. She did a beautiful thing by visiting those soldiers and spending time with them, and she has such a warm, loving heart.

Gotta love Stevie!

[LiquidBlue5000]

Originally Posted by Mokona

I don't agree with Stevie's mom and always thought Stevie wouldn't be a supporter of Bush since I saw those photos of her snuggling up to Clinton, but whatever.

ok.. well, i can't keep quiet about this because i just can't

Stevie donated $5000 to the Democratic National Comittee last summer.. so no, Stevie is NOT a Bush supporter (thank god)

[Mokona]

Stevie donated $5000 to the Democratic National Comittee last summer.. so no, Stevie is NOT a Bush supporter (thank god)

I'm glad you did speak up, Brian! A huge weight has been lifted off my chest!

[Johnny Stew]

My take on the comments that Barbara Nicks made, and Stevie's interpretation of them, was not so much that "this war is right" and "we belong over there," but more that these men and women are "doing their job." And not said in a cold, callous way, but in that they chose to go into the army to protect their country, and, rightly or wrongly, that's what they feel they're doing.

Proof of that, is the amount of service people you talk to who firmly believe in what they and their comrades are doing in Iraq.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by dissention

a.k.a. Satan's henchwoman.

And Grainer (sp?) the father of her child.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by LeighB04

Hmmm... methinks not really??? Affairs with married men, addictions, our gal aint purrfect, by any means - she does have a wonderful heart and spirit, that's for sure!

I think what trips a lot of people up in life, is the belief that making mistakes (even big ones) equates a lack of morals.

You can still be a good, "moralled" person, and make grievous errors in judgement.

Beyond that, many ancient religions believe that those who have made mistakes and had to suffer through them and have learned from them, are closer to the highest level of spirituality than anyone.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000

ok.. well, i can't keep quiet about this because i just can't

Stevie donated $5000 to the Democratic National Comittee last summer.. so no, Stevie is NOT a Bush supporter (thank god)

I never doubted it. But maybe we can get Sheryl Crow to send her an email about the Saddam-9/11 thing. She's repeated it twice now.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

I never doubted it. But maybe we can get Sheryl Crow to send her an email about the Saddam-9/11 thing. She's repeated it twice now.

The thing is Stevie lives on like another planet, from most of us. She thinks of the military as the people who keep her safe and because these guys were hurt over in Iraq..she makes a statement about Saddam/9/11 (the time Stevie felt most vulnerable) without really thinking. I never thought for one minute that she believed that we are in Iraq because of 9/11...it is just the way things come out of her mouth. It is frustrating and she tends to do it alot when discussing other stuff too. Poor Lindsey will take the wrap forever from the Chiffon Heads for the cardigan..and that ain't what she meant it to come out like at all. Sometimes she says things with a very childlike innocense, unfortunately.



Overall it was a wonderful, heartfelt thing she did and I hope to God she doesn't decide to never post her journal entries again.

BTW..Stevie has been donating to the Democratic Party since the 80's. She is not a Bush supporter.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Lux

Each to their own but when I read that I feel like I was born my father's daughter, destined to be mother to a son (who will no doubt grow to perform manly duties), everyone in their designated roles as related to their gender. Perhaps I'm sensetive but I can't read it without overlooking the intended point, whatever that may be.

It's another thing that makes Stevie a very interesting contradiction in terms, since her own chosen profession is certainly not what one would assume gender-role stereotypes would dictate.
She's no one's mother and she's no one's wife, and she's out there in what, even to this day, is traditionally considered a man's arena (despite the numerous women rockers who should have dispelled that notion out of people's heads decades ago).

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

It's another thing that makes Stevie a very interesting contradiction in terms, since her own chosen profession is certainly not what one would assume gender-role stereotypes would dictate.
She's no one's mother and she's no one's wife, and she's out there in what, even to this day, is traditionally considered a man's arena (despite the numerous women rockers who should have dispelled that notion out of people's heads decades ago).

I just think it is AMAZING that she took her time off and gave it so selflessly. I mean this had to be organized as I am sure she cannot just pop into peoples' hospital rooms. She also apparently went shopping for gifts for these people. She also hugged them and cried right there with them. I suggest most do not do that on their cake walk visit. I have a tremendous respect for her for doing this in such a thoughtful way.