Stevie and Lindsey's Big Fight - Page 7

SteveMacD · #91 07-22-2005, 02:54 PM

Isn't ANY discussion about a band that's been around for 38 years akin to beating a dead horse???

wondergirl9847 · #92 07-22-2005, 03:05 PM

Just thought it was a great place to use that particular icon. I've been wanting to use it.

gldstwmn · #93 07-22-2005, 03:27 PM

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Haha.

Mad4stevie · #94 07-22-2005, 03:37 PM

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Obviously the fight was more than Lindsey quitting Fleetwood Mac. It was about the definate ending of the relationship between Stevie and Lindsey. It was the end of nearly twenty crazy years of making music together. And, it was the definate end of their relationship. Sure, they both said it was over, but they WERE still single, and there was that ounce of hope that they COULD still get back together. This incident shattered any hope of getting back together. The McVies had the advantage of the divorce. It was in writing that their marriage was over, there was a definate date as to when it was over, and they were able to move on with their lives, while still being friendly with each other.

I think Stevie thought that LB leaving the band was the "ultimate abandonment". Up until then, even though they weren't together in a relationship sense, they still had the music to bond them together (The Chain). After her rehab, she probably was looking at the band and Tango as a fresh start and had built up all kinds of expectations in her mind. His leaving so abruptly right before the tour crushed all those expectations for Stevie. And that is why I think it pushed her over the edge.

It does remind me of Fall From Grace and Joan of Arc:

"Well, I came all the way here
Just to watch you walk out that door".

"Gone like the wind
Like the stars in the dust
Well, her little toy soldier
Is covered with rust and
Your beautiful eyes, woah, well, they look sad to me now
And I don't even know why you left me
She saw it all, it was a tiresome ending
He stormed out, hearing the door slamming
Behind him
Ooh, she didn't even know why he left her"

wondergirl9847 · #95 07-22-2005, 03:55 PM

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"Gone like the wind
Like the stars in the dust
Well, her little toy soldier
Is covered with rust and
Your beautiful eyes, woah, well, they look sad to me now
And I don't even know why you left me
She saw it all, it was a tiresome ending
He stormed out, hearing the door slamming
Behind him
Ooh, she didn't even know why he left her"

That sounds like her account of the Joe Walsh thing. I don't really know jack about Stevie and her stories about her men, but I remember she said he slammed the door or something.

Johnny Stew · #96 07-22-2005, 03:59 PM

"Joan Of Arc" was written and recorded before Lindsey left Fleetwood Mac.

sodascouts · #97 07-22-2005, 04:00 PM

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That sounds like her account of the Joe Walsh thing. I don't really know jack about Stevie and her stories about her men, but I remember she said he slammed the door or something.

I thought he was sitting around with his friends, she wanted to leave, and she told him, "If I walk out that door without you it's over." He replied, "Once you walk out that door, you cease to exist."

I'm betting she was the one that slammed the door that time, lol.

GardenStateGirlie · #98 07-22-2005, 04:11 PM

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Their voices were raised and they were clearly angry with each other. But if to say they were not arguing with each other in that clip then okay.

I wouldn't really catagorize that as a "big fight." I don't think it was life-altering and even though you can only hear their voices at a certain point, I don't think he threw her up against anything and started screaming at her

I was responding to your comment that the last "angry" incident wasn't in 1987. I think it was. That to me was not a fight -- it was an argument that stemmed from two very pigheaded people being -- well, pigheaded. I think he pressed her buttons to get a certain reaction out of her and it worked. That's never going to change. But no, I wouldn't really call that an "angry" incident. I think Kelly was more or less implying where he physically came at her -- 87 is the last documented encounter of its kind.

henryscutter · #99 07-22-2005, 04:42 PM

"Then it got physical. Lindsey grabbed Stevie and slapped her and bent her backwards over the hood of his car. Was he going to hit her again? He'd done it before. Suddenly Dennis Dunstan and Stevie's Manager Tony Dimitriades pulled Lindsey off her and told him that was enough. Lindsey then came back into the house, very distraught. He shouted "Get that woman out of my life-that schizophrenic bitch!"

"So the way I read it is that they were wondering if Lindsey was going to slap her a second time. I didn't get that Mick was saying that there was a history of abuse. I also noticed that the managers DID get involved, which disputes an earlier post. Incidentally, did you notice that Stevie's then manager is Lindsey's current manager? Hmmmm."

Well, I think it is pretty obvious he was talking about a previous occassion because it does'nt make sense the other way. Why use " He'd done it before" to describe the previous sentence. That would be redundant.

Anyways they are both different people now and as long as they are never a couple again everything will be fine

lagringader&r · #**100** 07-22-2005, 05:18 PM

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Isn't ANY discussion about a band that's been around for 38 years akin to beating a dead horse???

Thank you! Because to most of you, I guess it is old news. To some of us, it's brand new. And, most of the topics on the Ledge are about things that happened in the past.

As for the last incident being in 87, well there's still the weird story about the girlfriend that's not allowed to talk. I also live in Los Angeles and even though I'm not a rockstar, I think that smacks of something wrong. Sorry, but what is it she's not supposed to talk about?

I also think Stevie pushed his buttons, so I'm not totally excusing the part she played in it. But as someone pointed out, she's 5'1, she's tiny. I think her yelling at him is one thing, but it's radically different than being slapped and thrown over the hood of a car while it took two guys to pull him off of her. I don't see how anyone can equate the two. Also, thanks to someone for saying this was interesting. I think so, too. Before this thread, I didn't know Stevie had called Lindsey to talk about doing another Buckingham Nicks. It seems she did it before the big fight, so if Lindsey had any interest in working with her, he had the opportunity and took a pass on it. I think he was ready to walk out and away from the whole thing. From Mick's description in his book, it does sound like Lindsey abused her in the past. I agree that it wouldn't make sense to say "he'd done it before" about the previous sentence. I'm not so much about Stevie vs. Lindsey in this because it seems that he was the one that went too far. Someone else posted that he "beat the **** out of" his other girlfriend. So, it wasn't just Stevie.

I'm guessing from someone else's post that seems to ignore any question I ask of her, there have been fights about this on the Ledge in the past? I just have one question: Why? Is it your fight?

SteveMacD · #**101** 07-22-2005, 05:18 PM

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Well, I think it is pretty obvious he was talking about a previous occassion because it does'nt make sense the other way.

It makes perfect sense. If he WERE talking about a previous incident, why wouldn't he have talked about said incident earlier in the book? He was saying that Lindsey slapped her once, but would he slap her twice?

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Why use " He'd done it before" to describe the previous sentence.

Dramatic effect. It was a book, after all! Hell, Mick refers to himself as a "drama queen." Again, I think people are reading WAY TOO MUCH into that single paragraph.

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That would be redundant.

Fleetwood Mac redundant? NOOOO. Have you seen the track listing on "Live In Boston" CD? It's almost the same set as "The Dance," save for a few songs.

strandinthewind · #**102** 07-22-2005, 05:23 PM

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. . . As for the last incident being in 87, well there's still the weird story about the girlfriend that's not allowed to talk. I also live in Los Angeles and even though I'm not a rockstar, I think that smacks of something wrong. Sorry, but what is it she's not supposed to talk about? . . . .

That very well could be and there certainly have been lots of rumors along with some outright testimony and other documentation.

In general though, many famous people do these contracts just so no one can sell any story - true or false - to a tabloid, write a tell all book, etc. I mean a crafty writer can take a seemingly innocent situation and make it taudry - like she spanked her kid becomes she beat the hell out of that poor sick and frightened child

SteveMacD · #**103** 07-22-2005, 05:51 PM

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Sorry, but what is it she's not supposed to talk about?

She probably sued Lindsey and they settled out of court, with the stipulation that she couldn't talk about whatever it was. Anyway, I'm not so sure I'd be that quick to believe her. I'm sure she was pissed at "Caroline," and Mick's book gave her ammunition to go after him, because if he slapped Stevie Nicks, imagine what he did to her. Color me skeptical.

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But as someone pointed out, she's 5'1, she's tiny.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, or so they say. I think it's safe to say that most in the band were in bad places in their lives, and the band was all some of them had. So, they were already an emotional lot. What a shock that the two primadonnas were the two who exploded.

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I'm guessing from someone else's post that seems to ignore any question I ask of her, there have been fights about this on the Ledge in the past? I just have one question: Why? Is it your fight?

The Stevie fans think Lindsey's a jerk. Lindsey fans think Stevie was the one who started it, and that Mick is an a-hole for publishing the story, for which Stevie apologized. So there are a lot of factions pitted against each other.

Me, I'm a bit more neutral, and I try to deduct what really happened by statements made by those who were there. I doubt that Lindsey actually slapped Stevie. Stevie said a lot about the incident, and has painted it as VERY ugly, but she's never said that Lindsey slapped her. I think it was dark and emotions were running high throughout the band. Mick was still doing coke at the time and was upset about Lindsey quitting HIS band. So who knows what Mick actually saw and how that was filtered through his own emtions and biases? All I DO know is that it was a violent incident, but not necessarily physically, and Lindsey is not totally to blame. Mick has painted it as violent, John has painted it as violent, and Stevie has painted it as violent. All Lindsey has denied is that he slapped Stevie. So, I think it's clear that it wasn't pretty and that I'm sure both could have gotten arrested on verbal assault.

henryscutter · #**104** 07-22-2005, 06:33 PM

[QUOTE=SteveMacD]It makes perfect sense. If he WERE talking about a previous incident, why wouldn't he have talked about said incident earlier in the book? He was saying that Lindsey slapped her once, but would he slap her twice?[QUOTE=SteveMacD]

Ok, He asked the question "Would he hit her again?" ( To me he is asking "is this a one time lapse in judjement or not") and then answers it with "it is something he has done before." So that is why I see it as talking about a previous occurence.
He said he only put down the Tango incident in detail because he wanted to make it clear that Lindsey left the band and was not fired. Going into too much detail about the Lindsey/Stevie relationship was probably one of the things she "jokingly" said she would sue him over

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Fleetwood Mac redundant? NOOOO. Have you seen the track listing on "Live In Boston" CD? It's almost the same set as "The Dance," save for a few songs.

Ya, youre right about that

AliP · #**105** 07-22-2005, 06:39 PM

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Someone else posted that he "beat the **** out of" his other girlfriend. So, it wasn't just Stevie.

umm, yeah. The person who said that is is mistaken. I'm assuming that the information came from when Carol Ann was on Geraldo.

To make a long story short, Carol Ann never said he "beat the the ****" out of her. What she said was, that one day they were driving home from a concert or something and he suddenly stopped the car and starting choking her saying "you're all the same." He then stopped and acted like nothing had happened. Then a few months later he choked her again, out of the blue saying the same thing. That was her account. Never any "beating the ****" out of her.

I'm not condoning his behavior but "beating the ****" out of someone and "choking" someone are two different acts. Let's get our stories straight.