Stevie Nicks Ohio State Fair 1994

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by jwd

I saw her on those tours too strandie, so I'll let you know after June 28th, if being "sober" is a good thing!

Is not falling off the stage the standard of sobriety we're now using? Just wondedring.

[BombaySapphire3]

I had second row seats at the Greek in '89 and I thought she gave a decent performance ."Alice"was especially memorable .She even managed to roll her eyes reacting to a couple of buffons about to get into a fight to my immediate left.However when she did her promennade at the end of Edge I shook her hand and looked into her eyes and knew there was something very wrong .My friend that was with me that night had seen her in Costa Mesa a few nights before and has said she barely moved or spoke then except when one of her rings came up missing.By the time of the Street Angel tour she'd been off the Klonopin for 6 months or so and it showed in her performance.I would however prefer to forget that her career ever descended to the state fair circuit and if it starts heading that way again I'd rather see her just retire before it happens.

[BirdInFlight]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Maybe you can answer a question I've had for years... was "Two Kinds Of Love" really filmed that night, too?
From your comment, it sounds like it was.

I had heard YEARS ago that both songs were filmed, but then never heard a single mention of that again.

Actually the whole show was filmed. Stevie did a radio interview from her limo en route to the venue. She said the show was going to be filmed so they could get great audience shots. She wasn't kidding. Cameras were everywhere and especially during NSW one camera was focused on me as I sang along to the song. I hope that video never makes it out!

Anyhoo, she went thru the entire show. There was about a 20 minute break then she came back out and re-sang TKOL. Why? I dunno. Once was enough for me. But yeah, it was filmed. Then another 20 minute break. Then she did WLT four more times to get all the angles, etc. The next day she came back to the venue for her infamous close-up shots.

[Kelly]

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

Is not falling off the stage the standard of sobriety we're now using? Just wondedring.

Seriously.

I realize that people have differing opinions on what makes a good Stevie performance. However..being sober is always a good thing for her.

After seeing her twice in the last two weeks, it is obvious to me that this is not the same woman who I saw on the
Dance/Enchanted/Tisl/SYW tours. Jason has even commented that she reminds him of WH/RAL Stevie in terms of energy, playfulness, confidence, dancing. Hmm.

[upontheventura]

Originally Posted by David

I've been listening to audio files of this recent tour. I can't really say I'm into it.

I didn't get into the Millennium or the Shangri-La tours, either. Tammy & Tiff want me to go to the Coors stop on the tour. That will take a lot of coercing.

Oh David. I have found my compadre at the Ledge. lol . You like the Stevie I like. Shrieking like a banchee on stage head banging. Missing cues and doing whatever she wants. With the exception of the utter embarrassment that was the Red Rocks show- the unedited version- even I can't listen to THAT.

As far as the Vegas shows- I wasn't there, I only have the boots from the DVD audio at DimeAdozen- those shows are doing nothing for me vocally. BATB was phenomenal, but Stevie's voice reminds me of the TISL tour. She sounds very tired. I was really surprised after reading all these phenomenal reviews.
But then we have these Don Henley shows- THESE are fantastic in my opinion. I think Stevie is rocking 100% more here than those Vegas shows. I am really enjoying these.

[jwd]

Originally Posted by glitter fades

Is not falling off the stage the standard of sobriety we're now using? Just wondedring.

If that's the standard of sobriety we're using, then yea, Stevie is definitely better off sober. I don't think anyone wants Stevie to be "drugged out" again. We all know that that is not good for anyone. It's just that in terms of her performance, a lot of people like the days when she was "drugged out" and gave more of a rocking performance. These days it seems like she has that back again, at least to an extent, without being incoherent. And in my book that is definitely a good thing. Could be Stevie is drawing her inspiration from a natural high(the best kind).

[David]

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

Is not falling off the stage the standard of sobriety we're now using? Just wondedring.

When I saw her at the Pond in 2003 or at Irvine Meadows in 2001, she could easily have fallen off the stage, too -- IF she had bothered moving!

Nobody's gonna fall off a stage just standing there!

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by David

When I saw her at the Pond in 2003 or at Irvine Meadows in 2001, she could easily have fallen off the stage, too -- IF she had bothered moving!

Nobody's gonna fall off a stage just standing there!

This is an honest question - no snarky tone to it: but wasn't it around this time that she hurt her hip? And therefore moving around, let alone dancing around, became a little difficult?

Whatever the case, she's more than recovered now. There is much moving these days - along with clear eyes and smiles. She looks to me like she's having the best time on tour in years. And at the risk of offending, I think she looks way happier than she did during the SYW tour. Way. She's relaxed, she's confident. I think there's a reason she has added the line "you should see me now..." to the end of Gold Dust Woman. If you think about what GDW was written about - who she was then - and what she is now? She deserves a heapload of respect.

[David]

Originally Posted by upontheventura

Oh David. I have found my compadre at the Ledge. lol . You like the Stevie I like. Shrieking like a banchee on stage head banging. Missing cues and doing whatever she wants.

I think the "Stevie" one is drawn to is the "Stevie" one was originally exposed to. In my case, that would be the figure that sort of resembled the Bette Midler character doing "Midnight in Memphis" in "The Rose."

But then we have these Don Henley shows- THESE are fantastic in my opinion. I think Stevie is rocking 100% more here than those Vegas shows. I am really enjoying these.

Maybe Tiff & Tammy will see me yet at the show in California. I dunno. I've been walking out of Stevie Nicks & Fleetwood Mac concerts for many years now, when not just skipping them entirely. Something would have to draw me out there . . . like a free hot dog.

[David]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

This is an honest question - no snarky tone to it: but wasn't it around this time that she hurt her hip? And therefore moving around, let alone dancing around, became a little difficult?

I think so. That's what everybody here said at the time. I listen to you guys.

But was her hip sore for "Live in Boston"? or for the 2001 shows at Irvine, Santa Barbara or Universal City? or for the 1990 Mac show at Oakland? I've seen lots of stolid Stevie over the years, & I would hate to think she has injured her hip fifty times.

Whatever the case, she's more than recovered now. There is much moving these days - along with clear eyes and smiles. She looks to me like she's having the best time on tour in years. And at the risk of offending, I think she looks way happier than she did during the SYW tour. Way. She's relaxed, she's confident. I think there's a reason she has added the line "you should see me now..." to the end of Gold Dust Woman. If you think about what GDW was written about - who she was then - and what she is now? She deserves a heapload of respect.

The respect people give her is a sociological concern (people admire her, people love her, people want her to be safe or happy, people identify themselves with her, etc.), not an aesthetic one. When I go see a play, I don't worry about whether I respect the actors or the director in & of itself -- only insofar as they are creating good art or at least entertainment. I argue with Steve MacDougall a bunch about sociology vs. aesthetics. Ain't that right, Steve?

(I'm so consistently aesthetic-minded that I can very freely & sometimes even blithely criticize everybody in the Fleetwood Mac band, or praise them to the skies. But it always seems to be about a vocal or a performance or a physical demeanor, because what happens on stage or screen is a complete aesthetic experience & the performer's looks are elemental. I can also wax sociological about them, but I prefer doing so less & less as time drags on & on -- like lyric interpretations or digging into romance dynamics or analyzing the revelatory nature of subtext. I almost never do this.)

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by David

The respect people give her is a sociological concern (people admire her, people love her, people want her to be safe or happy, people identify themselves with her, etc.), not an aesthetic one. When I go see a play, I don't worry about whether I respect the actors or the director in & of itself -- only insofar as they are creating good art or at least entertainment. I argue with Steve MacDougall a bunch about sociology vs. aesthetics. Ain't that right, Steve?

Okay. I'm not sure I get the point you're making (again, not being snarky - just honest). I think it's different to go see actors and actresses on stage and talk about whether they are creating art nor not, and looking at the history of Stevie's career and health, and where she was in the 80s and where she is today. It's more than aesthetic, I agree. Is that a bad thing? I'd give that kind of respect to anyone who came back from the kind of drug abuse she did to the state of health she's at today.

[David]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

Okay. I'm not sure I get the point you're making (again, not being snarky - just honest). I think it's different to go see actors and actresses on stage and talk about whether they are creating art nor not, and looking at the history of Stevie's career and health, and where she was in the 80s and where she is today.

Aesthetically, I loved where she was in the '80s. My concern back then was an artistic concern, & it really still is today.

It's more than aesthetic, I agree. Is that a bad thing?

It's not inherently good or bad. Just different. It tends to prevent me & some others from seeing eye to eye, or even understanding one another, when we're talking about certain things. But this is the Age of Troubled Communication, so what the hell.

I'd give that kind of respect to anyone who came back from the kind of drug abuse she did to the state of health she's at today.

I have no more respect for Stevie's rehabilitation than I do for that of hundreds of other people. And I very strongly tend to separate my personal feelings for Stevie (which might include respect or admiration or even attraction) from my aesthetic response to her. I respect some things about my family & friends & even myself, because that respect is a by-product of love & closeness. I neither love nor feel close to Stevie -- or at least only in the verbally loose sense of "I love this song" or "I love the way she sang that part."

I'm trying to remember whether I felt any differently about her back when I was newly turned on to her, but I can't really remember. Age does that!

[glitter_fades]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

Whatever the case, she's more than recovered now. There is much moving these days - along with clear eyes and smiles. She looks to me like she's having the best time on tour in years. And at the risk of offending, I think she looks way happier than she did during the SYW tour. Way. She's relaxed, she's confident. I think there's a reason she has added the line "you should see me now..." to the end of Gold Dust Woman. If you think about what GDW was written about - who she was then - and what she is now? She deserves a heapload of respect.

Huh?

[GypsyRemain]

Originally Posted by upontheventura

Anybody have this boot? I have heard it is a fantastic show and that Stevie is in rare form. Despite the album she was touring for, and her supposed state at the time, her voice is pretty damn good in the boots that I own. I found 87-91 to be Stevie's vocal low point. I don't know what happened to her voice during those years. I hope I am not being offensive, but I can't even listen to the Tango/Other Side of The Mirror shows.

I was at this concert and I have to say I loved it because there was little to no security, and I went with my best friend from college and we met Chris Nicks, and he was very funny and wouldnt get me to Stevie but gave me a hat with her name on it and I had also been able to give her a white bear I dressed up for the show, I saw this thread and it immediately inspired me to think back to that magical night for me and my friend 8-))))))))))))))))

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

This is an honest question - no snarky tone to it: but wasn't it around this time that she hurt her hip? And therefore moving around, let alone dancing around, became a little difficult?

Whatever the case, she's more than recovered now. There is much moving these days - along with clear eyes and smiles. She looks to me like she's having the best time on tour in years. And at the risk of offending, I think she looks way happier than she did during the SYW tour. Way. She's relaxed, she's confident. I think there's a reason she has added the line "you should see me now..." to the end of Gold Dust Woman. If you think about what GDW was written about - who she was then - and what she is now? She deserves a heapload of respect.

I agree - she apparently has turned her life around several time despite numerous set backs. I also think she was a trooper for sticking it out on the FM tour because to me it was obvious she was in pain or whatever symptoms the menopause was causing. I think that was just one more indication of her loyalty to FM.