Vegas Beauty Beast Vid - Page 32

sparky · #**466** 05-24-2005, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumour0323

Is Storms about LB? No dammit....and I so want it to be.

Why oh why would such a thing have any importance ?

lagringader&r · #**467** 05-24-2005, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller

On a different but related note: what is "Smile At You about?" This whole business of "go on save yourself/leave the key here/you love someone else/I shouldn't be here"---who is she talking to/about? This song was written around the time of Rumours right? Then, if that's true, it couldn't be about Lindsey could it? She broke up with him, unless this was about a brief interlude when they were "on again." I've often wondered...

This is weird. I was going to mention Smile at You, but decided not to and deleted it before I posted. I found this: from the San Diego Union Tribune, April 17, 2003.

“Two of Nicks' songs, "Smile at You" and "Goodbye Baby," were written in 1975 and '76, and might have ended up on "Rumours" had they been completed in time. The former is clearly aimed at Buckingham, with such pointed lines as: What you did not need / Was a woman who was stronger / You needed someone to depend on you / I could not be her / I did not want to / My first mistake was to smile at you.”

Clearly, she thought they were mismatched and her first mistake was to smile at him. That’s like saying she wishes she’d never met him. This is all about his control issues. He needed someone to depend on him and not a strong woman. She didn’t want to be that person. The relationship ended and it sounds like she wished it had never begun..

GardenStateGirlie · #**468** 05-24-2005, 06:26 PM

On the liner notes bit....note how everyone else is credited for their contributions....

Sheryl Crow appears courtesy of A&M records
Macy Gray appears courtesy...
Natalie Maines appears courtesy...
Sarah McLachlan appears courtesy...

Yes, she does thank Lindsey in the liner notes but she also thanks all of those other people as well. Lindsey supposedly was working on GOS at that time and supposedly had a deal with WB (yes?). Apparently not because he's not appearing courtesy of anyone. What was he doing then?? GOS was already finished pretty much and would later be translated to the FM album. Perhaps there was no deal.

lagringader&r · #**469** 05-24-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

Good Lord these things are starting to be a painful stretch. That song is based on Rappaccini's Daughter by Nathaniel Hawthorne. Those lyrics are an exact reflection of a story point in the novella. I seriously doubt the song has anything to do with anything else.
I am wondering when someone is going to posit that Johnny and Ray Cash wrote "I Still Miss Someone" in a psychic flash forward about Lindsey Buckingham. They visualized the future, they pictured Lindsey, they knew all about him and Stevie and knew she would one day lament the loss of their grand romance and need to sing a song about him once again on The Other Side Of The Mirror. So BOOM ! The song was born. Yet another piece of music inspired by Lindsey.

I don’t think it’s a stretch at all. I’m not going to post the entire song, but these lyrics in particular make me think it’s a form of an apology or regret for hurting him:.

And so you run toward what you know is wrong (not meant to be)
There are too many flowers (problems, issues)
To cut down (to get past)
With all the love I have for your life (I care about you and your life)
For the love I have for your lifeTurn around... (Leave, go)

Never did I mean to imprison you (I didn’t mean to hurt you)
Here in my garden
Like I am imprisoned (Like I hurt. Stevie loves her pain)
All the love I have for your life (I care about you and your life)
All the love I have for your life
Turn around (Leave, go)

The inspiration for this song and even for BATB could have come from a movie or a book, but they must have had some significant and personal meaning for Stevie and Mick or Lindsey for her to sit down and write entire songs around them. Something must have rung a bell for her.

Johnny Stew · #**470** 05-24-2005, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

On the liner notes bit....note how everyone else is credited for their contributions....

Sheryl Crow appears courtesy of A&M records
Macy Gray appears courtesy...
Natalie Maines appears courtesy...
Sarah McLachlan appears courtesy...

Yes, she does thank Lindsey in the liner notes but she also thanks all of those other people as well. Lindsey supposedly was working on GOS at that time and supposedly had a deal with WB (yes?). Apparently not because he's not appearing courtesy of anyone. What was he doing then?? GOS was already finished pretty much and would later be translated to the FM album. Perhaps there was no deal.

This isn't the case 100% of the time, but I've noticed over the years that if a guest artist is on the same label as the artist whose album they're appearing on, the little "courtesy of" isn't always listed in the liner notes. I guess there's no need to thank a record label in those situations, because it's sort of an "in-house" loan... but some probably just do it anyway.

sparky · #**471** 05-24-2005, 06:35 PM

This obsession with her personal relationships....good f-ing God.
I find it myopic, bizarre, and bordering on neurosis.

Johnny Stew · #**472** 05-24-2005, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

This obsession with her personal relationships....good f-ing God.
I find it myopic, bizarre, and bordering on neurosis.

Wouldn't everyone just **** a brick, if it turned out she was writing about that waiter she recently said she had a relationship with?

Just to add to that... I'm finding it fascinating that fans would rather call Stevie a bold-faced liar, than accept the fact that a song just might not be about what they want it to be about.

"Stevie says it's about Mick?! BAH! It HAS to be about Lindsey -- and if she says otherwise, then she's lying!"

lagringader&r · #**473** 05-24-2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Mojo Magazine, December 2003:

"I look at (Lindsey) now and just go, 'Oh, Stevie, you made a mistake!'"

The sentence before is this one:

"The way he is with his children just knocks me out. I look at him now and just go, Oh, Stevie, you made a mistake!”

That's what I meant about her referring to how he is with his kids. Stevie passed on having kids and I think she really regrets that in a lot of ways. She sees him so happy with his children and I'm sure she feels pangs of regret for passing on the opportunity to have kids of her own. I think his kids probably made him a happier and more toned down man.

Kelly · #**474** 05-24-2005, 06:41 PM

I think Smile at you is about Don Henley. Just because some reporter assumes that it is clearly about Buckingham, doesnt make it so. With all the other songs she has written about LB, and said were about LB, does it really sound like she never wanted to be with him? That she regretted their relationship? Hardly. "He is my love, my first love, my love for all time,.....I look at him now and go "oh Stevie, you made a mistake"..Mojo 2003. That is hardly tongue in Cheek. (The over my dead body comment was tongue in cheek. )
Listen to Silver Springs, written around the same time as SaY..does she sound like she never wanted to be with him?

Kelly · #**475** 05-24-2005, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Wouldn't everyone just **** a brick, if it turned out she was writing about that waiter she recently said she had a relationship with?

Just to add to that... I'm finding it fascinating that fans would rather call Stevie a bold-faced liar, than accept the fact that a song just might not be about what they want it to be about.

"Stevie says it's about Mick?! BAH! It HAS to be about Lindsey -- and if she says otherwise, then she's lying!"

Where does she say its about Mick? For is not the same as about.

Johnny Stew · #**476** 05-24-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly

I think Smile at you is about Don Henley. Just because some reporter assumes that it is clearly about Buckingham, doesnt make it so.

Henley has always (at least in the past) been painted as a bit of a chauvinist. I've always felt "Smile At You" was about him... "what you did not need was a woman who was stronger -- you needed someone to depend on you."

GardenStateGirlie · #**477** 05-24-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sparky

This obsession with her personal relationships....good f-ing God.
I find it myopic, bizarre, and bordering on neurosis.

Considering that we're all well-educated working women in relationships and have families and friends, I find it highly offensive that you'd say we're bordering on neurosis. Perhaps we should psychoanalyze you instead?

This thread has been doing fine on it's own with discussion that hasn't gotten out of hand. If this thread is chapping your ass so much, why don't you stop reading it instead of interjecting with your smartass comments and witty reparte. Thanks.

GardenStateGirlie · #**478** 05-24-2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Henley has always (at least in the past) been painted as a bit of a chauvinist. I've always felt "Smile At You" was about him... "what you did not need was a woman who was stronger -- you needed someone to depend on you."

Plus that, after all he did to her after they'd stopped seeing one another...you can kind of see why she'd believe her first mistake was to smile at him. I truly think she harbored a lot of anger toward the end of that relationship.

Johnny Stew · #**479** 05-24-2005, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly

Where does she say its about Mick? For is not the same as about.

No, "for" is not the same as "about"... I pointed that out earlier in this thread, in fact.

I just see a bit of stubborness going on here.
"I don't care who Stevie says she wrote the song for -- this is what I say the song is about, and I'm right!"

Wouldn't it be a little odd if Stevie wrote a song ABOUT Lindsey, FOR Mick??

GardenStateGirlie · #**480** 05-24-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Wouldn't it be a little odd if Stevie wrote a song ABOUT Lindsey, FOR Mick??

I suppose that all depends on how you view Stevie

I find her to be a little odd (and not in a bad way). I think many of her songs transition from one thought pattern to the next. If she's looking back in retrospect on a relationship and writing about how she was feeling at the time, I think it's possible for her to write about two to finish the song. JMO of course.