Stevie said "Mick" right nbefore Beauty and the Beast on Saturday

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Oh, no. And, here I was agreeing with the rest of your post.

You gotta remember, Lindsey spent a few weeks of the OotC tour opening for Tina Turner in big venues...it wasn't ONLY Lindsey playing small clubs the whole tour. Plus, Lindsey did BOTH Letterman and Leno, too. So, I think maybe we can give Lindsey the nod on that one.

I cannot imagine La Nicks opening for anyone after BD. I mean she guest starred with Petty and Dylan - but did not open for them. Though, if I could open for anyone, it would be Tina

But, I essentially agree with that. I was just noting that she did as well and she did a few years after OOTC. In the end, she has always sought the spotlight far more than CM or LB, though he does love it as well and just likes to IMO pretend he does not. And - her relentless pursuit of it has helped all of them maintain relevance in the musical world and that is on top of the great music she and they have done

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Rumour0323

Jason, I don't think that is what Glitterfades was referring to and you know it.

I was basing that on prior posts. But, if that is not what she meant, I stand corrected

Originally Posted by Rumour0323

. . . I believe, no matter how politically incorrect it is to say so on a public message board...that Stevie and Lindsey are madly in love, right now as we speak.

I agree on soooo many levels - but I think they know they are just not meant to be day in and day out

[Serrart]

Originally Posted by dissention

A never-was that she never would have had a career without, most definitely.

Who could say? And I mean it for both. The both have huge talent. They could have develop separate careers and meet one day at a Don Henley benefit with Stevie (or Lindsey) saying.. Hi, I think we must have been in the same high school. Who knows, life is strange.

Romy

Originally Posted by Rumour0323

Jason, I don't think that is what Glitterfades was referring to and you know it. IMO it was simply a matter of who needed who more at the time. LB was the more solvent of the two at the time, by Stevie's own admission. I think the quote from her is something along the lines of "Lindsey doesn't need the money, so he has to want to do it." I think her finances were not in as good a shape as his and so yes, she needed him to do this for her. I do agree however, that it is the magic between these two and even those 5 particular members that made that tour the rousing success that it was.

This argument of... who is the more popular, who needed who more.... would we even know who Stevie Nicks is if it weren't for Lindsey Buckingham.....is pointless. You could even argue further that we wouldn't know who either one of them were if it weren't for Mick Fleetwood, or for that matter Keith Olsen. Yet you don't hear his name bantered around here too often.

As for the Mick/Stevie love affair... I get it. I see it for what it was, when it was.... and I think that Stevie remember's it fondly, for what it did for her at the time. She has also remained very close to Mick and his family and I think all of those feelings are all tied up together, in how she feels about Mick today.

As for Lindsey...Sorry...I'm a shipper. (God how did you guys let one in here.) I believe, no matter how politically incorrect it is to say so on a public message board...that Stevie and Lindsey are madly in love, right now as we speak. It is MHO that they fell back in love during The Dance period....situations arose that caused the relationship to take another path, for awhile, however I think that they grew close again during the making of the SYW album and subsequent tour, and they have finally decided to make a go of it....one more time. I think that his house being for sale is a pretty good indication of an impending divorce, and I was not at all surprised to hear that he was spotted in the mezzanine at Caesar's. I fully expected him to be there as I am sure many other's on this board did as well.

Yes there are a plethora of other reason's for things that are said, looks that are exchanged, songs that are written, houses being put up for sale, etc etc.....but to me this theory of mine is just as plausible as all of the others. Just not as popular. I find it hard to imagine sometimes that when some of you look at them you don't see what I see....that is why I keep it to myself. I know I am swimming upstream here....but man.....when I look at them I see a man and a woman who have been in love with each other for over 30 years. Who have tried to fight it for whatever reason they thought made sense at the time, but have finally come to the conclusion that it is pointless. They love each other and that is that. The show at CP was in my book, entirely about...dedicated to .....and performed for...Lindsey Buckingham. From the name of the show, to the songs chosen, to how fabulous she looked and sounded. That was all for him. Of course, this is only my humble opinion...(I think that is the requisite terminolgy to be used when taking this most unpoplular stance)....and of course I am just a CSF that has somehow escaped and made my way over into foreign lands. But that's ok....to me they are and will forever be Romeo and Juliet....Heathcliff and Cathy....with a little of Homer and Marge thrown in for good measure. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong and you will get to use the jumpy smiley guy....but if I'm not and I don't think I am.....I do intend to use him just once....to express my shear delight that these two have finally found their way back to each other. I do feel compassion and a great amount of sympathy for the other men and women who have been hurt as a result of this great love. But I have the same amount of compassion and sympathy for Stevie and Lindsey if they do in fact feel the way that I think they do, and in my mind it is no less deserving. Sometimes no matter how hard you try to fight it....you simply cannot deny it. Great great loves...everlasting... soulmate...undying loves... do exist, outside the pages of a fairytale, and I think that this is one of them.

Oh.....and what did all of that have to do with the discussion at hand? Not a damn thing...I just got on a roll and couldn't stop myself.

You are not alone..Wish I would of wrote it..Thanks

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong... but I don't recall reading any article from the 70s, that discussed or even mentioned an affair between Mick and Stevie.

Don't recall reading any articles in the 80s, that discussed it in hindsight either.

Never heard a word of it until 1990.

Going back to this little ditty (damn, I hate when I get to these discussions so late!)... I don't think Lindsey learned of the affair from the gossip columns or the tabloids or Mick's book. I believe Mick told Lindsey after he and Stevie broke up - or while they were still together? Gah - can't remember that detail. But I seem to remember that Mick didn't want him to find out from someone else (like roadies) - and so he went over one night and came clean. And Lindsey wasn't happy - but understood. And at this point, Stevie hadn't been his girlfriend, like, five minutes ago, as stated above. Stevie had a few flings before Mick. And Lindsey had Carol Ann.

Anyone else remember hearing it this way?

[amber]

Originally Posted by catinthedark

Going back to this little ditty (damn, I hate when I get to these discussions so late!)... I don't think Lindsey learned of the affair from the gossip columns or the tabloids or Mick's book. I believe Mick told Lindsey after he and Stevie broke up - or while they were still together? Gah - can't remember that detail. But I seem to remember that Mick didn't want him to find out from someone else (like roadies) - and so he went over one night and came clean. And Lindsey wasn't happy - but understood. And at this point, Stevie hadn't been his girlfriend, like, five minutes ago, as stated above. Stevie had a few flings before Mick. And Lindsey had Carol Ann.

Anyone else remember hearing it this way?

Yeah, it was like that, according to the fifty million times I've watched "Stevie Nicks - Behind the Music"
by the way, if anyone wants a blow by blow memory transcription of that, including songs, I'm your girl!
Mick says: "So he didn't sort of find out through some road manager or something" (pops eyes)
Then Lindsey says, with resignation: "you know, it was just one more thing...our armors were pretty thick by then...I don't think anything that would've happened could shock me"
and sometime, Stevie says, tersely: "I loved Mick, and Mick loved me, and really, there were some..some very special moments...But we knew it couldn't work...THAT...would've broken up Fleetwood Mac...so we ended it."

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

A never-was that she never would have had a career without, most definitely.

Does that make Lindsey the Jellybean Benitez to Stevie's Madonna?

By the way, where is Jellybean these days? I miss him.

[catinthedark]

Originally Posted by amber

Yeah, it was like that, according to the fifty million times I've watched "Stevie Nicks - Behind the Music"
by the way, if anyone wants a blow by blow memory transcription of that, including songs, I'm your girl!
Mick says: "So he didn't sort of find out through some road manager or something" (pops eyes)
Then Lindsey says, with resignation: "you know, it was just one more thing...our armors were pretty thick by then...I don't think anything that would've happened could shock me"
and sometime, Stevie says, tersely: "I loved Mick, and Mick loved me, and really, there were some..some very special moments...But we knew it couldn't work...THAT...would've broken up Fleetwood Mac...so we ended it."

Thank ya! Nice to know I'm not inventing the stories of their lives in my head...

Now about that full transcription...

[lagringader&r]

Originally Posted by amber

Yeah, it was like that, according to the fifty million times I've watched "Stevie Nicks - Behind the Music"
by the way, if anyone wants a blow by blow memory transcription of that, including songs, I'm your girl!
Mick says: "So he didn't sort of find out through some road manager or something" (pops eyes)
Then Lindsey says, with resignation: "you know, it was just one more thing...our armors were pretty thick by then...I don't think anything that would've happened could shock me"
and sometime, Stevie says, tersely: "I loved Mick, and Mick loved me, and really, there were some..some very special moments...But we knew it couldn't work...THAT...would've broken up Fleetwood Mac...so we ended it."

I didn't know when Lindsey found out about their affair, but did they break up because they wanted to save the band or did they break up because Mick dumped Stevie for her best friend? According to the Jim Ladd interview less than 2 months ago, she was completely heartbroken and felt betrayed that he dumped her. But according the BTM, it was mutual? I'm getting these threads mixed up now, but for the ones that said they saw Lindsey on opening night, why would Cory tell me, and apparently at least one other person, that he wasn't there? That would be a weird thing to lie about. Cory seems pretty straight up to me. So confused now.

[thepoetinmyhear]

Originally Posted by lagringader&r

I didn't know when Lindsey found out about their affair, but did they break up because they wanted to save the band or did they break up because Mick dumped Stevie for her best friend? According to the Jim Ladd interview less than 2 months ago, she was completely heartbroken and felt betrayed that he dumped her. But according the BTM, it was mutual? I'm getting these threads mixed up now, but for the ones that said they saw Lindsey on opening night, why would Cory tell me, and apparently at least one other person, that he wasn't there? That would be a weird thing to lie about. Cory seems pretty straight up to me. So confused now.

It is always possible, not necessarily likely, but possible that Cory didn't know.

[Rumour0323]

I agree on soooo many levels - but I think they know they are just not meant to be day in and day out

Nahhhh.. I disagree but won't argue the point with you here. Fifty bucks says we know by the end of summer anyway! Are you a betting man?

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by Rumour0323

Nahhhh.. I disagree but won't argue the point with you here. Fifty bucks says we know by the end of summer anyway! Are you a betting man?

What's up, Suzanne??!?

[glitter_fades]

Jason, once and for all stop saying I think LB is a bigger star than SN. I've never said it and I never will. He isn't, never has been, and never will be. Like Suzanne said, that's not my point. Since the discussion has drifted somewhat from the topic of the thread, and you like info based on quotes by or about Stevie, read this bit of discussion about BATB she talked about circa 1981 in RS. People will decide for themselves what that song really means. I usually don't know how to dig up the quotes many fans go by since I only know what my views are based on my memory as a longtime Mac fan, not as a SN fan who thinks her life started with her solo career. I never read this article from RS before today when I went looking for something she's said about the song before she started talking about Mick being the inspiration. Well, here it is. Strangely, as a less than devoted fan of hers, I feel I understand her songs better than a lot of people who think she's not a real person. Too many fans see her only as a rock goddess who makes troubled people feel better, or an icon whose lot in life is to be worshiped and defended by strangers. People who saw her performances in Vegas will likely see what I see in that song. Here's what she said in 1981:

Stevie says that her favorite fairy tale is Beauty and the Beast. She loved the fable as a child, but when she saw the Jean Cocteau film rendition in later years, her fascination was cemented. She'll recount her version of the yarn at the drop of a hat, claiming that, at the end of the fable, "Beauty became the Beast, and he became the beautiful one."

The story line, as Stevie tells it, concerns the plight of a sweet-natured woman named Beauty, the youngest of three otherwise repellent sisters, who volunteers to become a captive angel in the Beast's castle after her father incurs his wrath by plucking one of his prized roses. Beauty rides to her palatial prison on a magic white horse sent by the Beast and settles into a grotesque lifestyle wherein she spurns the affections of her gentlemanly captor, breaking his heart a little more each day with her increasingly cruel taunts in the face of his love.

When Beauty learns her father is dying, the Beast allows her to go to him, but warns that if she does not return by the seventh day, he will expire from despair. On the eighth day, she leaves her dead father and venal sisters and rushes back to the castle to find that the Beast is done for. In his last breath, he says that all a beast who loves her can do is die for her.

there are several more paragraphs to the article and then it ends with this last passage:

Sitting across from Stevie as she dries her eyes and slips back into here and now, I can think of only one appropriate question.

"In your version of Beauty and the Beast, Beauty finally understands that there are difficult choices to make in this world. Knowing her fate, if you were her, what would your decision have been?"

"I would have chosen the Beast," she says softly. "Absolutely."


Does anyone really believe Stevie sees Mick as a beautiful person after he dumped her for her friend and left her heartbroken? I'm sure that experience was somewhat of a wake-up call for her. She didn't fully realize what it meant to be on the receiving end of that traumatic experience until it happened to her. I also don't think the Mick affair was a first in that regard either, as her being the dumpee. For anyone who knows the story of BATB, without even reading this article, the heartbreak of the female character in the story comes from her realizing how badly she hurt somebody who deserved better than what her choices resulted in when she left him. They both suffered the consequences until it was almost too late to undo what had been done, in the fairy tale, anyway.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by glitter_fades

Jason, once and for all stop saying I think LB is a bigger star than SN. I've never said it and I never will. He isn't, never has been, and never will be.

Precisely. Anyone who thinks otherwise is, simply put, an idiot.

[Rumour0323]

Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

What's up, Suzanne??!?

Hey Marissa... Not a whole lot. Just sitting here beating my head against the wall for not going to Vegas. I am so glad you guys had a good time. Hopefully our paths will cross this summer.