Texas bans homosexual and bisexual foster parents

[Janet]

Even though "1/2 insane" perhaps asked for such strong remarks to what they said, please do not tell another board member to "*uck themselves" or " up yours" or whatever, please refrain from one on one attacks.

Topics like this are asking for trouble. I would love to think we are all open minded and free thinking but we are not. A topic like this just begs for people to just come in and bash.

1/2 Insane...do not refer to gay people as you do on these boards please. They are humans just like you are and deserve the same rights. The ONLY difference between someone who is "gay" and you is who they sleep with...that is all. If you can't respect the people on these boards, you might as well leave.
Thank you.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by Janet

Even though "1/2 insane" perhaps asked for such strong remarks to what they said, please do not tell another board member to "*uck themselves" or " up yours" or whatever, please refrain from one on one attacks.

Topics like this are asking for trouble. I would love to think we are all open minded and free thinking but we are not. A topic like this just begs for people to just come in and bash.

1/2 Insane...do not refer to gay people as you do on these boards please. They are humans just like you are and deserve the same rights. The ONLY difference between someone who is "gay" and you is who they sleep with...that is all. If you can't respect the people on these boards, you might as well leave.
Thank you.

You are once again, the voice of reason - thank you.

[Mari]

^agreed, and Janet, if anything dóes call for a strike, this is.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by tynan88

No I know exactly what you mean, it just sucks always being right when no one else realises it!

It is hard for me who is politcally active to accept that a majority of the population couldn't care less about politics though, it seems alien to me but I accept I seem alien to them.

The caring increases/decreases depending on who's in power. (for some) I myself care 24/7.

[tynan88]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

The caring increases/decreases depending on who's in power. (for some) I myself care 24/7.

Agreed I am active all the time so it is wierd for me to know of people that aren't.

[irishgrl]

Originally Posted by tynan88

Agreed I am active all the time so it is wierd for me to know of people that aren't.

My involvement has been a work in progress, I have evolved from just reading about issues to signing petitions to actually going into the halls of the legislature and committee rooms to speak out for change.

I abhor the tactics of the religious right to insert their morality into our laws piecemeal so that we are inching ever closer to a feudal state. What is scary to me is that so many young people arent more alarmed. There are quite a lot of conservatives who have no problem at all with the current state of right wing politics. Many are eager for the day when THEIR version of morality is forced on us ALL.

very scary indeed.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by Janet

Even though "1/2 insane" perhaps asked for such strong remarks to what they said, please do not tell another board member to "*uck themselves" or " up yours" or whatever, please refrain from one on one attacks.

Topics like this are asking for trouble. I would love to think we are all open minded and free thinking but we are not. A topic like this just begs for people to just come in and bash.

1/2 Insane...do not refer to gay people as you do on these boards please. They are humans just like you are and deserve the same rights. The ONLY difference between someone who is "gay" and you is who they sleep with...that is all. If you can't respect the people on these boards, you might as well leave.
Thank you.

Yes, as Jason said, thank you for being the voice of reason. Though this topic does beg for bashing, I am still comforted by the overwhelmingly positive and affirming comments made by many on this board. I've decided that they definitely make up for the degrading and negative ones in my eyes.

[tynan88]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

My involvement has been a work in progress, I have evolved from just reading about issues to signing petitions to actually going into the halls of the legislature and committee rooms to speak out for change.

I abhor the tactics of the religious right to insert their morality into our laws piecemeal so that we are inching ever closer to a feudal state. What is scary to me is that so many young people arent more alarmed. There are quite a lot of conservatives who have no problem at all with the current state of right wing politics. Many are eager for the day when THEIR version of morality is forced on us ALL.

very scary indeed.

I have a great deal of respect for politically active people regardless of their views, because I think activity is a very proud thing to and is necessary yet thankless.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by tynan88

I have a great deal of respect for politically active people regardless of their views, because I think activity is a very proud thing to and is necessary yet thankless.

and - it makes the strangest and most unlikely people allies for brief periods of time - which is just bizarre.

[DrummerDeanna]

lol...said poster un-lurks to totally stir things up and bait - sad. That's all.

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That said, yes there are some screwed up gay folks...but guess what....there are screwed up straight folks too!

I've met many a crazy in both worlds....I think it's disgusting to prohibit someone from being a Foster parent based on sexual orientation this way - it's just unacceptable.

[tynan88]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

and - it makes the strangest and most unlikely people allies for brief periods of time - which is just bizarre.

That gives me faith honestly sometimes...nothing softens my heart more than seeing people who normally oppose each other doing something to benefit the community.

There are two former PM's in Australia from opposing politics yet they have become best friends because they support a Replublic. Not only were they opposing but one was responsible for getting the other sacked! (The only time in our history).

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by tynan88

That gives me faith honestly sometimes...nothing softens my heart more than seeing people who normally oppose each other doing something to benefit the community.

There are two former PM's in Australia from opposing politics yet they have become best friends because they support a Replublic. Not only were they opposing but one was responsible for getting the other sacked! (The only time in our history).

touche' my friend

[tynan88]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

touche' my friend

I keep a faith in people that some people call stupid...I call it human nature.

I guess maybe that is why I can't see why a homosexual couple would be any less appropriate at loving a child than a heterosexual one. I don't have statistics but I think you could pretty safely say the proportion of kids abused in any form in a heterosexual home will be higher than that in a homosexual home, makes you think ey.

[GateandGarden]

Originally Posted by tynan88

I keep a faith in people that some people call stupid...I call it human nature.

I call it human nature (not stupid), too.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by tynan88

I keep a faith in people that some people call stupid...I call it human nature.

My word - I think we have another optimist Nice to have you on board my train

Originally Posted by tynan88

I guess maybe that is why I can't see why a homosexual couple would be any less appropriate at loving a child than a heterosexual one. I don't have statistics but I think you could pretty safely say the proportion of kids abused in any form in a heterosexual home will be higher than that in a homosexual home, makes you think ey.

There is no correlation between sexuality and sexual abuse of one's own children or any children for that matter, and a true pedophile a sort of independant sexuality that is interested only in pre pubescant children, the control and domination of which is the attraction not the sex ( http://www.prevent-abuse-now.com/stats.htm ) - Moreover, if the standard, which is suggested, for placing children is no deviating from anything other than sex for the sole purpose of procreation (no fellatio, no cunnilingus, no masterbation, etc. ) - then almost all humans would be prevented from adopting children. When this is pointed out, the religious right gets indignant and then instead of addressing that issue, it spins it and screams Leviticus says God hates homosexuality and, therefore, so should the state and everyone else. Most people then let their prejudice learned essentially from age 10 against homosexuals take over. Most are taught oir have abserved that society considers any gay act as horrid. So, it is easier to listen to that gut reaction than to say, "ya know - I am just as sexually deviant (their word) in a heterosexual manner so what is the big deal." I think it is rank hypocrisy.

I also think that the standard for adopting or fostering a child should be the ability to provide food, clothing, shelter, education, and love - all of which are not in any way limited to heterosexuality - in fact, many heterosexuals with their own children are incapable of providing that in any satisfactory manner. Yet all heterosexuals get the presumption that because their sex is cleaner than homosexual sex, they will be better parents.

It also does not help that the Roman Catholic Church and many others have equated child molesters to gay people, which is wrong because men, who are the vast majority of all abusers, molest both girls and boys. Yet, unlike homosexuality, all of heterosexuality is not shunned when a man molests a little girl. So, we see the hypocrisy again.

Finally, people say public actions of gay people lead to their aborrence. I think the same could be said for many heterosexual public acts. I mean look at "Girls Gone Wild" and just about any music video these days. All of that contains blatant sexuality and nudity. Look at the way teenage girls dress these days. It is just as provocative as some shirtless gay gay walking down the street. Yet, heterosexuals are not shunned for it the way homosexuals are when some guy wears leather in public, which BTW heterosexuals do as well.

In the end, people may say they tolerate, like, etc. homosexuals, but in the end, they are not willing to put up with them on any socially relevant level as witnessed by the 70+ % public denial of the right to marry and therefore get the benefits automatically provided to heterosexual couples.

Sad - very true.