sort of a plug for Mick and John

***ThePenguin*** · #1 03-14-2005, 04:27 PM

http://www.crecon.com/davidwomack/fleetwoodmac.htm

-Lis

chiliD · #2 03-14-2005, 04:39 PM

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Everybody was sharing songwriting credits, so naturally Penguin and Mystery to Me are disjointed, and worse. The great Mac legacy is forgotten except in the contrived songs "Revelation," "Nightwatch" and "Hypnotized" (the latter being a stupid, superstitious goof of sorts - details never are the best way to describe the mystical). And Christine McVie never rises above the triteness of her lyrics and her dogged disinterest in the big picture.

What albums was THIS person listening to?

Mystery To Me "disjointed, and worse"?? Christine "never rises above the triteness"? Gimme a break. What an idiot!

***ThePenguin*** · #3 03-14-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

What albums was THIS person listening to?

Mystery To Me "disjointed, and worse"?? Christine "never rises above the triteness"? Gimme a break. What an idiot!

I know.

Here's a review of the white album--

http://members.aol.com/jasonburg/10398.html

-Lis

macfan 57 · #4 03-14-2005, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

What albums was THIS person listening to?

Mystery To Me "disjointed, and worse"?? Christine "never rises above the triteness"? Gimme a break. What an idiot!

OK, maybe Penguin was a bit disjointed. But, Mystery To Me is the best Fleetwood Mac album ever, in my opinion. And, I've never heard "Hypnotized" described as a 'stupid, superstitious goof of sorts'. This person has no idea what they're talking about.

macfan 57 · #5 03-14-2005, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePenguin

I know.

Here's a review of the white album--

http://members.aol.com/jasonburg/10398.html

-Lis

OK, that's a bit better.

I would disagree with one thing though:

"None of these three singers on their own approaches the magic they are capable of generating together".

I think one of those 3 singers is just as good, if not better singing alone.

Johnny Stew · #6 03-14-2005, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by macfan 57

I think one of those 3 singers is just as good, if not better singing alone.

Stevie.

Sorry, I just had to, M.

***ThePenguin*** · #7 03-14-2005, 06:11 PM

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Stevie.

Sorry, I just had to, M.

Must you torment poor Macfan??!!

BTW my fave quote is:
"the precision rhythm section work turned in by John McVie and Mick Fleetwood holds the entire song together (underestimate their contribution to this band at your peril.) Two decades after the fact the striking thing about "Say You Love Me" isn't necessarily Christine McVie's irresistible piano melody and warm vocal delivery -- it might just be the way soon-to-be-ex-husband John's dynamic bass line spices up the melody and keeps things moving ahead."

YES YES YES I agree!!!!! Mick and John are so overlooked, it makes me nuts sometimes. Those great songs would be so much less great without their influence.

-Lis

chiliD · #8 03-14-2005, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePenguin

BTW my fave quote is:
"the precision rhythm section work turned in by John McVie and Mick Fleetwood holds the entire song together (underestimate their contribution to this band at your peril.) Two decades after the fact the striking thing about "Say You Love Me" isn't necessarily Christine McVie's irresistible piano melody and warm vocal delivery -- it might just be the way soon-to-be-ex-husband John's dynamic bass line spices up the melody and keeps things moving ahead."

YES YES YES I agree!!!!! Mick and John are so overlooked, it makes me nuts sometimes. Those great songs would be so much less great without their influence.

Just have a listen to the Curtis Bros' own version of "Blue Letter" (which sounds eerily similar to The Eagles), the bass part sounds like someone who'd only been playing bass for a couple of months...then listen to John McVie on Fleetwood Mac's version. The bass part there really is a symphony unto itself.

macfan 57 · #9 03-14-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Stevie.

Sorry, I just had to, M.

OK, I deserved that.

***ThePenguin*** · #10 03-14-2005, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Just have a listen to the Curtis Bros' own version of "Blue Letter" (which sounds eerily similar to The Eagles), the bass part sounds like someone who'd only been playing bass for a couple of months...then listen to John McVie on Fleetwood Mac's version. The bass part there really is a symphony unto itself.

Absolutely. He's that way on so many songs, and yet it's so easy to 'not notice' what he is doing.

-Lis

SteveMacD · #11 03-15-2005, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

Just have a listen to the Curtis Bros' own version of "Blue Letter" (which sounds eerily similar to The Eagles)

To me, it sounds like something Billy Burnette would have done on a solo album.

David · #12 03-17-2005, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by chiliD

What albums was THIS person listening to?

Mystery To Me "disjointed, and worse"?? Christine "never rises above the triteness"? Gimme a break. What an idiot!

I like "Mystery to Me," but I like "Heroes Are Hard to Find" even better!

I wish the engineering on that album were better -- it sounds as if it were recorded behind pillows.

David · #13 03-17-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePenguin

BTW my fave quote is:
"the precision rhythm section work turned in by John McVie and Mick Fleetwood holds the entire song together (underestimate their contribution to this band at your peril.) Two decades after the fact the striking thing about "Say You Love Me" isn't necessarily Christine McVie's irresistible piano melody and warm vocal delivery -- it might just be the way soon-to-be-ex-husband John's dynamic bass line spices up the melody and keeps things moving ahead."

Yes, yes, but that's putting the cart before the horse, in a sense. Christine's piano & John's bass are inextricably entwined, mirrors of each other, all of a complementary piece. You can't have one without the other in these circumstances any more than you can have phosphate without the egg! If you take away the phosphate, you don't have a phosphate, & if you take away the egg, you don't have a phosphate! Where is your quintessence? John & Chris put the meta in metaphysics!

chiliD · #14 03-17-2005, 04:49 PM

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To me, it sounds like something Billy Burnette would have done on a solo album.

Ummmm...I can see your point, but Billy's version would've been INFINITELY better.

***ThePenguin*** · #15 03-17-2005, 04:58 PM

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Yes, yes, but that's putting the cart before the horse, in a sense. Christine's piano & John's bass are inextricably entwined, mirrors of each other, all of a complementary piece. You can't have one without the other in these circumstances any more than you can have phosphate without the egg! If you take away the phosphate, you don't have a phosphate, & if you take away the egg, you don't have a phosphate! Where is your quintessence? John & Chris put the meta in metaphysics!

OK, your intelligence is far superior to mine, this has become obvious. what the &*^% is quintessence?

I just like how they played together, so tight, it was amazing. And I still feel that John's best work has been on Chris's songs, he supports her voice so wonderfully, enhances her tone. Would've loved to hear how his basslines might've added to some stuff on ITM.

-Lis