new stuff from la nicks?!?!?

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

If you notice, all or most of them now say "administered by Sony ATV Music" or some such thing. I am not schooled in such things but believe this to mean that Sony, at least in part owns part of the publishing.

Yes but does Fleetwood Mac have any rights to the songs written by her?

Chris

[ontheEdgeof17]

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

Yes but does Fleetwood Mac have any rights to the songs written by her?

Chris

I guess they do.....Remember the Silver Springs turmoil? Stevie couldn't release it on Timespace because Mick wouldn't let it go.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17

I guess they do.....Remember the Silver Springs turmoil? Stevie couldn't release it on Timespace because Mick wouldn't let it go.

But I thought that was what sparked her to copywrite Silver Springs under Barbara Nicks Music...have her songs always been under Welch Witch Music, or is that something that occured later on?

Chris

[hayley]

You guys have to understand that there's a difference between owning the rights to a SONG and owning the rights to the RECORDING. Welsh Witch is a publishing entity, through which Stevie owns the rights to basically the lyrics of her songs. It's administered by Sony/ATV which just means that Sony does all the administrative work for a cut of the profits, but Stevie/Welsh Witch still have the right to choose what to do and what not to do with the songs under that banner.

The recording itself is a different matter- generally, whatever record label you record under negotiates or retains the right to those masters. I'm not sure what the particulars are with Stevie's ownership of her solo songs, since most of her albums were released under Modern, her own imprint.

I don't want to confuse anyone- just want to clarify that if there are difficulties getting songs or catalog from another label, it tends to have to do because of the ownership of the masters and the recording, and has nothing to do with Welsh Witch.

[Sorcerer386]

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

But I thought that was what sparked her to copywrite Silver Springs under Barbara Nicks Music...have her songs always been under Welch Witch Music, or is that something that occured later on?

Chris

I could be way off here if she did this some time after the song was recorded, but I remember her saying that she wanted all the royalties from this song to go to her mother. Something about Stevie knowing her mother would never take money as a gift from Stevie, so she sort of gave Silver Springs as a gift to her mother in which she would get all money from the song, so it was under Barbara Nicks's name. I believe everything has been under Welsh Witch Music as Rhiannon is under that title. Everything she's written herself, that is.

[David]

Originally Posted by Sorcerer386

I believe everything has been under Welsh Witch Music as Rhiannon is under that title. Everything she's written herself, that is.

Not in the beginning -- her stuff was published by Rockhopper, & later by Gentoo & Welsh Witch. There was even a Michael Fleetwood publishing entity that had control of "Rhiannon" at the time of the "Live" album. "Silver Springs" was probably initially Gentoo & Welsh Witch, along with "Dreams" & "Gold Dust Woman." Other publishing entities that controlled copyright were Fleetwood Mac Music & Mother of Pearl Music.

[strandinthewind]

THe whole publishing/recording/other rights confuses me. I know Michael Jackson owns or used to own some of La Nicks' rights, though which rights I am unsure.

I would greatly appreciate someone explaining the difference in the various rights.

Here is a hypotheitcal - The Killers want to record a cover of Sisters of the Moon. How do they do that as opposed to just singing it in concert.

HELP

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

The Killers want to record a cover of Sisters of the Moon.

Christ, you really want to send me to an early grave, my dear.

[strandinthewind]

Originally Posted by dissention

Christ, you really want to send me to an early grave, my dear.

It was a shout out for poor love starved Ryan, the minor

[catinthedark]

Back to the original topic at hand....

I would guess that if she's releasing a GH pack, this is just to fulfill a contractual obligation. That would not bode well for a new album of originals in the near future.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

It was a shout out for poor love starved Ryan, the minor

Gawd, how I despise The Killers...such poseurs.

[blinker12]

Originally Posted by hayley

You guys have to understand that there's a difference between owning the rights to a SONG and owning the rights to the RECORDING....

Thanks for the explanation, Hayley.
As I recall, at the time of the spat with Mick Fleetwood, Stevie was threatening to re-record "Silver Springs" for Timespace, because he wouldn't let her use the original recording -- a scary thought given the state of her voice in 1991.

[ShangriLaTroubl]

So the question still stands..if Stevie has the songwriting rights, whatever admin with Sony/ATV ...who has the right to the recording itself...the record company or Fleetwood Mac?

Chris

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl

So the question still stands..if Stevie has the songwriting rights, whatever admin with Sony/ATV ...who has the right to the recording itself...the record company or Fleetwood Mac?

In the 'Destiny Rules' doc, Mick says he's happy that they were able to re-sign with Warner Bros., since "they have our back catalog."

So I assume Warners owns the basic rights to the original recordings, and I'm sure that the band has some kind of contractual clause that requires their approval in regards to how the recordings are used.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

THe whole publishing/recording/other rights confuses me. I know Michael Jackson owns or used to own some of La Nicks' rights, though which rights I am unsure.

I would greatly appreciate someone explaining the difference in the various rights.

Music Publishing 101