Guilty Pleasures - Page 13

Miss Vicky · #**181** 02-14-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Ah - but them's fighting words around here

People just love to use outrageous words like "croak" "Elmer Fudd" "fat" etc. when describing Stevie. I guess it is their right to say such if they really feel it (which I question as well - but that is just my own suspicion) - but it also is simultaneously rude and intentional to other Ledgies who have expressed that they find it offensive

I mean that is the harm ion just saying they do not care for her voice or, it is lower than it used to be, her range has lessened, etc. It conveys the same message. But, that type of respect for people who like her is rarely shown

As one of the people in question (I likened Stevie's voice to Elmer Fudd), I can say I used that description because it was the best thing I could think of to match what her voice sounds like to me. Although some people may have found this insulting (why, i don't know... after all it was directed at Stevie, and as far as I know, she isn't a Ledgie) that really wasn't the intention. I've seen many rather insulting things being stated on these boards about my favorite, Lindsey Buckingham - but rather than getting all upset about it, I either ignore the post or calmly express my disagreement. It seems the logical thing to do.

Serrart · #**182** 02-14-2005, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Ah - but them's fighting words around here

People just love to use outrageous words like "croak" "Elmer Fudd" "fat" etc. when describing Stevie. I guess it is their right to say such if they really feel it (which I question as well - but that is just my own suspicion) - but it also is simultaneously rude and intentional to other Ledgies who have expressed that they find it offensive

I mean that is the harm ion just saying they do not care for her voice or, it is lower than it used to be, her range has lessened, etc. It conveys the same message. But, that type of respect for people who like her is rarely shown

It conveys the same message, but it wouldn't be as fun to write for them, I guess. But who cares about them, really? I respect their opinions but to attack her for losing her range is pointless, for me. Her voice today is powerful in so many ways, and arrives straight to my soul, and I think to many others too. If they want to go around in the circle of dissing, more power to them. What really means is unattached for me.

Romy

amber · #**183** 02-14-2005, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

It bugs me to no end that she used the word "woo" in a song - I don't know why - but I have a real problem with this

aw, I like the woo, and that song in general, though overall I like Chris' songs the least. I think it's subtle, and nice, but I still know what she means.

dissention · #**184** 02-14-2005, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Serrart

I respect their opinions but to attack her for losing her range is pointless, for me.

I don't attack her for losing her range, she did that to herself through years of abuse on her vocal chords. She never knew how to sing and that's what screwed it up. What I do attack her for are her lackluster performances due to her severely diminished range and matronly, immobile stage presence. If I don't think her performances are up to snuff, I'll say so. No one has any trouble complaining when they think Lindsey screams his songs or that his voice is piss-poor, it should be no different for Miss Nicks. It's all a matter of preference.

Miss Vicky · #**185** 02-14-2005, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I don't attack her for losing her range, she did that to herself through years of abuse on her vocal chords. She never knew how to sing and that's what screwed it up.

Not to mention the three-pack-a-day cigarette habit she had for a long time.

DrummerDeanna · #**186** 02-14-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I don't attack her for losing her range, she did that to herself through years of abuse on her vocal chords. She never knew how to sing and that's what screwed it up. What I do attack her for are her lackluster performances due to her severely diminished range and matronly, immobile stage presence. If I don't think her performances are up to snuff, I'll say so. No one has any trouble complaining when they think Lindsey screams his songs or that his voice is piss-poor, it should be no different for Miss Nicks. It's all a matter of preference.

It is all a matter of preference - I agree - I don't mind the things you mentioned above - but ya know - some people do

and if I had a buck for every person that has likened Ms. Nicks to a goat in my pressence

haha...I don't take this stuff personally anymore

wondergirl9847 · #**187** 02-14-2005, 01:14 PM

LINDSEY FREAKIN' RULES!

That is all.

dissention · #**188** 02-14-2005, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

Not to mention the three-pack-a-day cigarette habit she had for a long time.

I particularly love how she talked of using cough drops to help her voice. That **** doesn't do anything.

And those moisture machines she used? They probably worked for the first song, but that's it. Any singer worth their salt knows that if you want to loosen up your voice, you down a couple tablespoons of olive oil.

Miss Vicky · #**189** 02-14-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847

LINDSEY FREAKIN' RULES!

That is all.

You tell 'em! Preach on!

amber · #**190** 02-14-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I particularly love how she talked of using cough drops to help her voice. That **** doesn't do anything.

And those moisture machines she used? They probably worked for the first song, but that's it. Any singer worth their salt knows that if you want to loosen up your voice, you down a couple tablespoons of olive oil.

Or Beer...

Just kidding, just kidding...

dissention · #**191** 02-14-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

It is all a matter of preference - I agree - I don't mind the things you mentioned above - but ya know - some people do

and if I had a buck for every person that has likened Ms. Nicks to a goat in my pressence

haha...I don't take this stuff personally anymore

I only think she sounds like a goat on the Mirage concert vid. Especially Gypsy, my word. Otherwise, I don't hear it.

Brwn_eyes0511 · #**192** 02-14-2005, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

I particularly love how she talked of using cough drops to help her voice. That **** doesn't do anything.

And those moisture machines she used? They probably worked for the first song, but that's it. Any singer worth their salt knows that if you want to loosen up your voice, you down a couple tablespoons of olive oil.

Smoking doesn't really effect the sound of your voice as much as it does your breath control. I mean look at Chris, used to be a smoker...it hasn't effected the way she sounds at all! I think you were correct in saying before that Stevie didn't know how to sing correctly and is now paying for it.

dissention · #**193** 02-14-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Smoking doesn't really effect the sound of your voice as much as it does your breath control. I mean look at Chris, used to be a smoker...it hasn't effected the way she sounds at all!

Oh, it most certainly does, especially if you smoked three packs a day for as long as Stevie Nicks did. Add to that all the abuse to her chords from singing improperly (she must have thought a diaphragm was simply a contraceptive), snorting all that coke, drinking all that booze, etc. She's lucky she can even talk.

Someone said awhile back that they thought her current voice was just due to aging and nothing else and I wanted to scream.

dissention · #**194** 02-14-2005, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

Destiny Rules ! My god, the vocals on that are embarassing. Baaahhh.

Oh, that, too.

May-ay-ay-ay-ay-be we we-re-re-re-re toge-e-e-e-e-etha in a-a-a-anoth-ah-ah-ah li-i-i-ife.

Putrid vocals. Same with Candlebright, now that I think of it.

strandinthewind · #**195** 02-14-2005, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

hhhmmm... the most emotional scene that stands out to me in Destiny Rules was the fight that got started when Karen (that's the name of Stevie's assistant, right?) mentioned Stevie's lawyers...

I referred to when LB openly wept when explaining to La Nicks how much it meant to him to be able to work with them and her again. I think weeping qualifies as the most emotional scene, esp. considering LB had to walk away because of it.

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Originally Posted by Miss Vicky

I'm just tired of FM projects getting in the way of his solo work. First it was Tango, then The Dance, and now Say You Will. It's been 13 years since the last solo album... I think it's long overdue and he needs to get the damned thing out. Besides that... there's nothing I wouldn't give to see him perform live, without Stevie's irritating hand gestures (see "Say You Will" from LIB- I can't decide if she's trying to rope someone in the audience or do the "I'm a Little Teapot" dance) and without Mick's ego-stroking drum and vest solo . . .

Well, talk to him about it as he seems to love her and her performances - in fact, he loves them so much he invited her to be on his solo soundstage performace which I attended - Interestingly, he did not invite John and Mick who were also in Chicago at the time

So, apparently, the pacakge deal is not in total demise - much to your apparent chagrain

Tone - jovial - not snarky