This proves Bush doesnt care about the little guy

[amber]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

But I don't understand why we get to pick and choose.
If it's stated in the bible, should it not be followed?

How is it decided what's appropriate to follow, and what can be dismissed because of the era in which it was written?

Is it not possible that the views of that time influenced the human males who wrote the bible, to apparently comment as unfavorably about homosexuality as they did in regards to women's roles in society?

How, exactly, is it determined what is a "common foundation of truth," and what's merely an archaic viewpoint made by men whose worlds were very small in scope?

Again, I do not see a single word in the Ten Commandments regarding homosexuality. I would think that God's Commandments should be the ultimate foundations of truth. Everything else stated in the bible by Paul, Matthew, etc., etc., is merely an interpretation or an opinion.

Ha ha, TWINS! (you being the more eloquent and Bible knowleadgeable twin...)

Originally Posted by amber

Again, then you are picking and choosing what is true from the bible. How can you justify that? man shouldn't lie with man isn't in keeping with our times either. You can't just pick and choose what parts of the bible are the truth.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

well cause you are not lookin at what submitting to the husband really means...Women still have a say...they have opinions, views, and a say so in everything...it dosent mean for women to be slaves!!!! thats craziness.

Ahh... but according to the bible, women are NOT to have a say. They are not to have an opinion.
The will of their husband, according to the bible, is tantamount to law.

I bet the world would be VERY different indeed, if the bible had been written by Martha, Marcy, Lucy and Johnette.

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I'm tellin' ya!

I bet my very devoted Italian-Catholic mother would have a good laugh, too, if someone suggested she should be submissive to my father.

That Submissive Woman stuff hasn't flown since the first few decades of the 1900s!

was known for throwing 1200 lbs (!!!!) carts full of laundry off 8' loading docks in a fit of rage, These same 1200 lb. carts that huge muscular men could barely push...Do ya think she would submit to a man? Especially a drunken ex-boyfriend who physically hit her to suffer the following embarrassing (But funny to me) bits of bodily harm??? Nah, not my Mother, She is a nice caring person until ya piss her off (My older brother Geary & myself inherited our Mother sick sense of humor and very short temper & her way with words) then ya will suffer the same fate as _____ (I wont post the a-hole drunken dillweed's name here) did:

#1-______ was shot in the ass with a .22 caliber rifle (My Mother is also a great markmans) after my Mom did target practice on him after he threw a punch at her...(Famous lines from that day: _____ (Drunken a-hole)-"Brian, get that gun away from that crazy woman"...My beloved Mom (To me)-"Move it or lose it"...Me (To drunken ____)-"Ya expect me to pull a gun away from a pissed woman? You're on yer own" )

#2-_____ had his...uh...well...ummm...go-nads squeezed in a pair of pliers that my Mom had in her hands as he tried to punch her in a shopping center parking lot when he was caught with another woman (And for the record, There was NO CHANCE in HELL of me helping that living sack of ****, he was ON HIS OWN that day, Nads in a pair of pliers & his face being beaten to a bloody pulp at the same time by dear ol
' Mom...But I wished I had a video camera then, The look on the Tahlequah PD's faces was classic when they arrived to the parking lot disturbance (The woman that _____ was withh, Well my dear ol' Mum broke that woman's face up) saw the pliers and what they were squeezed upon!!! You guys know that look, it's the look ya make when some other poor schmuck/guy gets nailed in the 'jewels' extremely hard!!!) This is a true story...My family is a slightly insane but somewhat loving bunch!!!

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

You mean you don't sleb around every onece and awhile I'm shocked

What is sleb??? My wife is the Queen Bee in this household...I'm just her enforcer/body guard!!!!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

was known for throwing 1200 lbs (!!!!) carts full of laundry off 8' loading docks in a fit of rage, These same 1200 lb. carts that huge muscular men could barely push...Do ya think she would submit to a man?

That's what I love, Brian... a STRONG woman, who isn't about to take guff from ANY man, no matter what society (or religion) might say to the contrary.

LOVED the pliers story!

[amber]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

was known for throwing 1200 lbs (!!!!) carts full of laundry off 8' loading docks in a fit of rage, These same 1200 lb. carts that huge muscular men could barely push...Do ya think she would submit to a man? Especially a drunken ex-boyfriend who physically hit her to suffer the following embarrassing (But funny to me) bits of bodily harm??? Nah, not my Mother, She is a nice caring person until ya piss her off (My older brother Geary & myself inherited our Mother sick sense of humor and very short temper & her way with words) then ya will suffer the same fate as _____ (I wont post the a-hole drunken dillweed's name here) did:

#1-______ was shot in the ass with a .22 caliber rifle (My Mother is also a great markmans) after my Mom did target practice on him after he threw a punch at her...(Famous lines from that day: _____ (Drunken a-hole)-"Brian, get that gun away from that crazy woman"...My beloved Mom (To me)-"Move it or lose it"...Me (To drunken ____)-"Ya expect me to pull a gun away from a pissed woman? You're on yer own" )

#2-_____ had his...uh...well...ummm...go-nads squeezed in a pair of pliers that my Mom had in her hands as he tried to punch her in a shopping center parking lot when he was caught with another woman (And for the record, There was NO CHANCE in HELL of me helping that living sack of ****, he was ON HIS OWN that day, Nads in a pair of pliers & his face being beaten to a bloody pulp at the same time by dear ol
' Mom...But I wished I had a video camera then, The look on the Tahlequah PD's faces was classic when they arrived to the parking lot disturbance (The woman that _____ was withh, Well my dear ol' Mum broke that woman's face up) saw the pliers and what they were squeezed upon!!! You guys know that look, it's the look ya make when some other poor schmuck/guy gets nailed in the 'jewels' extremely hard!!!) This is a true story...My family is a slightly insane but somewhat loving bunch!!!

Wow...It's like we have the same Mom...
to Brian.
when i was 3, i remember mine calling the police on my dad who showed up to visit me, but Drunk...late at night...she said..."I don't know this man, he is trying to break in"
don't worry, he came over the next day, sober, all was well....

[estranged4life]

Originally Posted by amber

Wow...It's like we have the same Mom...
to Brian.
when i was 3, i remember mine calling the police on my dad who showed up to visit me, but Drunk...late at night...she said..."I don't know this man, he is trying to break in"
don't worry, he came over the next day, sober, all was well....

noone is lucky to have my Mother as a Mom...

She is the only person I know who has the sense of humor and sewed that asshole _____ into a sheet and beat his ass with an aluminum baseball

She is also the only I know who was pulled over by the OHP (Oklahoma Highway Patrol) for going 170MPH in a 55MPH zone and get not even a ticket or a warning cause Mr.Fuzz wanted to know 3 things-

#1 What size motor did her 1976 Pontiac Trans-Am have (454 Chevy V8 block w/out turbo...The fastest car in Eastern Oklahoma in the late 70's)

#2 Would she like to drag him in him POS black T-Top 1980 Pontiac Bandit Edition Turbo Trans Am for pink slip while his fellow patrolmen watched and made sure noone was hurt (Let's say he ate crow when his own Patrol group laughed his ass off after Mom ANNIHILATED his ass and he wouldnt part with the precious pink slip for that POS...As dear ol' Mom loves to say "Hey Bud, Put up or shut the f**k up")

Finally #3 What's size bra cup my Mom had cause he loved what he saw! (Dude...Sheesh, It's hella sick when it was said to my Mom!!! Which happened daily in my pre-teen days...My Mom was indeed the like the song "Blonde in the blue T-bird"...Except her Trans Am was bright banana yellow!)

[amber]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

noone is lucky to have my Mother as a Mom...

She is the only person I know who has the sense of humor and sewed that asshole _____ into a sheet and beat his ass with an aluminum baseball

She is also the only I know who was pulled over by the OHP (Oklahoma Highway Patrol) for going 170MPH in a 55MPH zone and get not even a ticket or a warning cause Mr.Fuzz wanted to know 3 things-

#1 What size motor did her 1976 Pontiac Trans-Am have (454 Chevy V8 block w/out turbo...The fastest car in Eastern Oklahoma in the late 70's)

#2 Would she like to drag him in him POS black T-Top 1980 Pontiac Bandit Edition Turbo Trans Am for pink slip while his fellow patrolmen watched and made sure noone was hurt (Let's say he ate crow when his own Patrol group laughed his ass off after Mom ANNIHILATED his ass and he wouldnt part with the precious pink slip for that POS...As dear ol' Mom loves to say "Hey Bud, Put up or shut the f**k up")

Finally #3 What's size bra cup my Mom had cause he loved what he saw! (Dude...Sheesh, It's hella sick when it was said to my Mom!!! Which happened daily in my pre-teen days...My Mom was indeed the like the song "Blonde in the blue T-bird"...Except her Trans Am was bright banana yellow!)

[irishgrl]

I asked for proof that GOD said there was to be no homosexuality. The short answer is HE DIDNT. The only references you found were written by PEOPLE. God made us all the way we ARE. And if the CHURCH is so GUNG HO against homosexuality, why the hell did it allow GENERATIONS of priests to abuse little boys? Give me a break! All this Bible Thumping is a bunch of CRAP. And trying to foist YOUR particular beliefs on the rest of the country is a form of Religious Tyranny

[The Tower]

So, I've read this whole thing (why, I honestly couldn't tell you- morbid curiosity, most likely) and here's my five cents.

1) The Catholic Church is one of the most evil organizations to ever exist on this planet. Anyone who thinks that they can participate in any of its forms, tangents, etc. and NOT be contributing to evil is just plain stupid. One can disagree with that statement all day long and it won't matter- facts are facts.

2) Who the hell cares what the bible says? I don't think there is a need to justify whether or not the bible condones gay marriage. The bible is a piece of ****. Just chuck the whole thing. It has as much relevance in today's life as the stories of the Iliad or the Odyssey.

3) "Brwn_eyes0511" is a troll- and a moronic one at that. Trying to argue with or dissuade someone that is so obviously stupid is a waste of time. Continuing to say "I don't want anyone to get angry" and the rest of it, all the while continuing to post that ignorant drivel that is so obviously targeted to make people angry is just ludicrous.

Hugs and kisses all around!!

Signed,

The Tower - Card Carrying Sodomite.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by The Tower

So, I've read this whole thing (why, I honestly couldn't tell you- morbid curiosity, most likely) and here's my five cents.

1) The Catholic Church is one of the most evil organizations to ever exist on this planet. Anyone who thinks that they can participate in any of its forms, tangents, etc. and NOT be contributing to evil is just plain stupid. One can disagree with that statement all day long and it won't matter- facts are facts.

2) Who the hell cares what the bible says? I don't think there is a need to justify whether or not the bible condones gay marriage. The bible is a piece of ****. Just chuck the whole thing. It has as much relevance in today's life as the stories of the Iliad or the Odyssey.

3) "Brwn_eyes0511" is a troll- and a moronic one at that. Trying to argue with or dissuade someone that is so obviously stupid is a waste of time. Continuing to say "I don't want anyone to get angry" and the rest of it, all the while continuing to post that ignorant drivel that is so obviously targeted to make people angry is just ludicrous.

Hugs and kisses all around!!

Signed,

The Tower - Card Carrying Sodomite.

I'm obviously doing my job then...folks have resorted to name calling (and pathetic name calling at that...troll...wtf? LOL )

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

I'm obviously doing my job then...folks have resorted to name calling (and pathetic name calling at that...troll...wtf? LOL )

Yawn.


troll

n 1: Slang. An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds.

[Brwn_eyes0511]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Yawn.


troll

n 1: Slang. An electronic mail message, Usenet posting or other (electronic) communication which is intentionally incorrect, but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the act of sending such a message. Trolling aims to elicit an emotional reaction from those with a hair-trigger on the reply key. A really subtle troll makes some people lose their minds.

Very good. I actually have to say that I didn't realize what the meaning of that word actually was. Thank you.

But again, when liberals resort to name calling, I know that at least somebody's buttons are being pushed, which is a good thing!

[BTFLCHLD]

another yawn

[DrummerDeanna]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I could care LESS what any CHURCH says about Gay marriage...I think its significant that in the ENTIRE BIBLE there is NOT ONE mention of GOD forbidding relations between same sex partners. If anyone can point out something that Jesus or God actually said regarding Homosexuality, please let me know. God only had 10 commandments, and Jesus had only ONE.

Churches are run by men. men with an agenda. I dont trust most of them.
and after reading the Da Vinci Code, Im not sure I much admire the Catholic Church either. And before anyone starts denouncing the Da Vinci Code, they had better take a good long look at Dan Brown's Bibliography for that book. Much of his material came from the Vatican Archives! Jealously guarded by the Catholic Church itself! The fox is truly guarding the hen house!

Ha - yeah pretty much ditto.

The Catholic Church as it is now is run by men - it is an archaic institution and I do not follow ALL of its teachings. I'm not a papist - I don't think the Vatican or Pope serve any true purpose actually....except politcal games and all sorts of freaky stuff...

I've actually not read the Da Vinci Code yet - but will when it comes out in Paperback