A post from "Jesusland"

[markolas]

Frankly, I don't care whether conservatives feel unwelcome here or not. I feel unwelcome in this whole f**king country right now. So, excuse the hell out of me if I don't cry over the fact that you don't feel welcome on a f**king Internet message board.

Christ, you people get exactly what you want and you STILL F**CKING WHINE!!

What more do you want?? You want me to kiss your a$$ now that you've f**ked me over in 11 states? Go jump in a boiling vat of oil.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by sara1998

Then please accept my apologies. I thought for sure it was a comment in my direction since my opinions and political views are hardly heard here, and at least wanted to clarify my post.

No. Not directed at you. No need to apologize.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by markolas

Frankly, I don't care whether conservatives feel unwelcome here or not. I feel unwelcome in this whole f**king country right now. So, excuse the hell out of me if I don't cry over the fact that you don't feel welcome on a f**king Internet message board.

Christ, you people get exactly what you want and you STILL F**CKING WHINE!!

What more do you want?? You want me to kiss your a$$ now that you've f**ked me over in 11 states? Go jump in a boiling vat of oil.

Nominating this for best post on any blog I have read today.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by markolas

Frankly, I don't care whether conservatives feel unwelcome here or not. I feel unwelcome in this whole f**king country right now. So, excuse the hell out of me if I don't cry over the fact that you don't feel welcome on a f**king Internet message board.

Christ, you people get exactly what you want and you STILL F**CKING WHINE!!

What more do you want?? You want me to kiss your a$$ now that you've f**ked me over in 11 states? Go jump in a boiling vat of oil.

Mark, I completely understand your anger, but I don't think the conservatives here are representative of those who'd just as soon spit on us as look at us.

I think a lot of younger conservatives, especially, are sympathetic to gay issues. And while it's extremely frustrating to see them continuting to vote for politicians who are so obviously against gay rights, at least there's hope for the next generation of conservative politicians to be more open-minded and compassionate than the current regime.

In fact, the more conservatives we can persuade to see "our side," the better off we'll be in the future.
So, my friend, we need to make more allies... not more enemies.

(Though I must admit it's always ironic to see those who are in the majority, wringing their hands about being in a minority. I think we can all safely say that being on the outside isn't a very comfortable thing... all the more reason to work towards a more inclusive governship.)

[ShangriLaTroubl]

Originally Posted by markolas

Frankly, I don't care whether conservatives feel unwelcome here or not. I feel unwelcome in this whole f**king country right now. So, excuse the hell out of me if I don't cry over the fact that you don't feel welcome on a f**king Internet message board.

Christ, you people get exactly what you want and you STILL F**CKING WHINE!!

What more do you want?? You want me to kiss your a$$ now that you've f**ked me over in 11 states? Go jump in a boiling vat of oil.

My sentiments exactly...Thank u so much u made my day! SERIOUSLY! WOO HOO

Chris

[markolas]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Mark, I completely understand your anger, but I don't think the conservatives here are representative of those who'd just as soon spit on us as look at us.

I think a lot of younger conservatives, especially, are sympathetic to gay issues. And while it's extremely frustrating to see them continuting to vote for politicians who are so obviously against gay rights, at least there's hope for the next generation of conservative politicians to be more open-minded and compassionate than the current regime.

In fact, the more conservatives we can persuade to see "our side," the better off we'll be in the future.
So, my friend, we need to make more allies... not more enemies.

You're obviously infinitely more patient than I am.

It's just so completely unbelievable to me that someone would start a thread like this. I don't want to be allies with them at this point. I want them to stay away from me.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Nominating this for best post on any blog I have read today.

Oh, thank you. I wondered how well it would go over.

[markolas]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

(Though I must admit it's always ironic to see those who are in the majority, wringing their hands about being in a minority. I think we can all safely say that being on the outside isn't a very comfortable thing... all the more reason to work towards a more inclusive governship.)

Well, Christians do have one hell of a martyr complex.

[gldstwmn]

Limbaugh supporting Saddam Hussein:

"And now the liberals want to stop President Reagan from selling
chemical warfare agents and military equipment to Saddam Hussein, and
why? Because Saddam 'allegedly' gassed a few Kurds in his own
country. Mark my words. All of this talk of Saddam Hussein being
a 'war criminal' or 'committing crimes against humanity' is the same
old thing. LIBERAL HATE SPEECH! And speaking of poison gas . . . I
SAY WE ROUND UP ALL THE DRUG ADDICTS AND GAS THEM."
Rush Limbaugh, Nov. 3, 1988

You first, Rush!

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by markolas

You're obviously infinitely more patient than I am.

Ironically, having patience is always something I've had to work on. It sure doesn't come naturally to me, but I'm trying!

Originally Posted by markolas

It's just so completely unbelievable to me that someone would start a thread like this. I don't want to be allies with them at this point. I want them to stay away from me.

I understand. I honestly do.
(By the way, check out the postscript I added to my reply above.)

I'm still pretty angry, myself. I want to see positive action from conservatives who support gay rights... not just mere lip-service.

But, unfortunately, what's done is done, so now we need to start working towards the NEXT Presidential election, and raising some awareness before then.

So, yeah, we should all be angry and feel disenfranchised right now... but then we need to let that fuel us towards working to win more people over.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by markolas

Well, Christians do have one hell of a martyr complex.

A close friend of mine tells me I have a Superman Complex (in that I want to "save the world").

But... at least he didn't say I had a Wonder Woman Complex!

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Well, if ya did . . .

Seriously, like the teachings of Buddah, etc. - it is not a bad thing to live your live by regardless of your belief in Christ

Yeah, I'll have to check it out some time...as if 10 years of Catholic School and a near conversion to Buddhism in 1984 aren't enough.

[amber]

Originally Posted by markolas

Frankly, I don't care whether conservatives feel unwelcome here or not. I feel unwelcome in this whole f**king country right now. So, excuse the hell out of me if I don't cry over the fact that you don't feel welcome on a f**king Internet message board.

Christ, you people get exactly what you want and you STILL F**CKING WHINE!!

What more do you want?? You want me to kiss your a$$ now that you've f**ked me over in 11 states? Go jump in a boiling vat of oil.

Must...not...laugh...hysterically....

oop! too late!

[Moony]

Originally Posted by markolas

Frankly, I don't care whether conservatives feel unwelcome here or not. I feel unwelcome in this whole f**king country right now. So, excuse the hell out of me if I don't cry over the fact that you don't feel welcome on a f**king Internet message board.

Christ, you people get exactly what you want and you STILL F**CKING WHINE!!

What more do you want?? You want me to kiss your a$$ now that you've f**ked me over in 11 states? Go jump in a boiling vat of oil.

Thank you for posting what I didn't have the guts to say!

Originally Posted by Lux

The conservatives here do appear to be more accepting and hardly likely to spit on you, but they voted to put in power a group who want to reduce your rights. Whether or not this Bush guy is homophobic or even homosexual, who cares? The key factor is that he was put in to enforce these ideals upon others. Whether it's a top agenda for the particular voter or not, to partake in giving the administration this power, to me, is thinking very little of your rights. Little enough to justify an unwillingness to make up and shake hands.

I'm liking you more everyday I tell ya.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Lux

Whether it's a top agenda for the particular voter or not, to partake in giving the administration this power, to me, is thinking very little of your rights. Little enough to justify an unwillingness to make up and shake hands.

Well, the seemingly callous disregard for gay rights from people who claim to support them, is exactly why I'm so disappointed and angry.
I'll be honest and admit that I'm not completely ready at this very second to "kiss and make up"... I am still stinging from what feels like a slap in the face.

But... at some point in the very near future I do feel it's very necessary to sit down with those who are "sympathetic to the cause," and work towards some kind of understanding with them as to why it's of the utmost importance that we not elect (or, worse, re-elect) the politicians who are looking to deny or rescind ANYONE'S civil rights.

I'm spitting mad, too, but I think it's detrimental to make enemies out of anyone who's at least open to seeing where we're coming from, and who might prove a powerful ally in the future.

So my plan is to grouse for a while until I get some of it out of my system, and then resume my plan to change the world, one mind at a time.