New book on FM coming out

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

Because you said she's self-absorbed (which she is, along with everyone but John). That's a rather shocking thing to say aorund here, my dear. If I had said it, well, I would've been castrated!

By who? No one wants you without your working parts!!! Just kidding. I just kind of look at that as a fact - doesn't mean i like her work less...for christs sake, every single one of her songs is either directly, or obliquely, about her...except, of course, for the forgotten chimpanzees....
AMber

[dissention]

Originally Posted by DeadliestPoison

Q: [insert life story here] Anyway, I just LOVE your demo "Goldfish and the Ladybug!" What inspired you to write it?!

A: A bug and a fish.

Q: [insert random ass kissing here] What inspired you to write "Storms"?

A: A storm.

Q: I've always loved your haircolor, Stevie. What dye do you use?

A: Blonde dye.

[Merf]

Originally Posted by DeadliestPoison

Oh man. If it's anything like her Ask Stevie answers, we'll be lucky to get something along the lines of, "I was born. I met Lindsey. I joined Fleetwood Mac. I went solo. I got totally trashed on coke. Went to rehab. Klonopin, yay." etc.

You forgot an important thing, Greg.

"I met Elisecia and the rest of my backsassers. Yay, etc."

[dissention]

Q: When you're onstage, do you get emotional when you sing certain songs? If so, which ones?

A: Yes. Many.

Q: Long Way To Go is one of my favorites!! What do you mean when you sing "Well, it's a real long way to go"?

A: That I had to go a long distance.

[amber]

Originally Posted by dissention

Q: When you're onstage, do you get emotional when you sing certain songs? If so, which ones?

A: Yes. Many.

Q: Long Way To Go is one of my favorites!! What do you mean when you sing "Well, it's a real long way to go"?

A: That I had to go a long distance.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
AMber

[DeadliestPoison]

Originally Posted by Merf

You forgot an important thing, Greg.

"I met Elisecia and the rest of my backsassers. Yay, etc."

*swoon*

Elisecia is love. <333333 Elisecia + Lori + Sharon = Greg's FLY GIRLS!()*@)(!&

BACKSASSERZ 4 LYFE!(!*@)(!&$)(!*@

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

I think that's a convenient way to support your argument, especially since Stevie Nicks would never write anything like that. It's quite a stretch to use such extreme examples when all we're saying is that she should either write it honestly and with details, or she shouldn't write it at all.

But that's the entire point I've been making... Stevie would never write anything like the scenarios I wrote. I don't expect her to, and I wouldn't want her to.
So I guess that's why I'm a little lost. When we talk about "details" and "honesty," exactly how detailed and honest are we talking?

This woman has talked about her cocaine addiction, she's talked about her Klonopin addiction, she's talked about abortions, she's talked about passing out on Prince's kitchen floor because she was high and the A.C. was out, she's talked about the hole in her nose, she's talked about losing faith in her songwriting abilities, she's talked about her hair turning completely grey and her skin molting during rehab, she's talked about gaining weight and the struggles to lose it, she's talked about being told by managers that she's fat, she's talked about photographs pointing out that she's "gained weight under the chin," she's talked about her decision to get breast implants, she's talked about those breast implants bursting and causing health problems, she's talked about her doctor keeping her ruptured implants in refrigeration... and so on.

That's all pretty honest to me. So I don't see why it's believed that Stevie would be dishonest simply because she'd have a tendency to romanticize the players. And I don't quite understand how many more "details" people expect.

[amber]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

But that's the entire point I've been making... Stevie would never write anything like the scenarios I wrote. I don't expect her to, and I wouldn't want her to.
So I guess that's why I'm a little lost. When we talk about "details" and "honesty," exactly how detailed and honest are we talking?

This woman has talked about her cocaine addiction, she's talked about her Klonopin addiction, she's talked about abortions, she's talked about passing out on Prince's kitchen floor because she was high and the A.C. was out, she's talked about the hole in her nose, she's talked about losing faith in her songwriting abilities, she's talked about her hair turning completely grey and her skin molting during rehab, she's talked about gaining weight and the struggles to lose it, she's talked about being told by managers that she's fat, she's talked about photographs pointing out that she's "gained weight under the chin," she's talked about her decision to get breast implants, she's talked about those breast implants bursting and causing health problems, she's talked about her doctor keeping her ruptured implants in refrigeration... and so on.

That's all pretty honest to me. So I don't see why it's believed that Stevie would be dishonest simply because she'd have a tendency to romanticize the players. And I don't quite understand how many more "details" people expect.

Stevie, Stevie, Stevie! Why is is always about Stevie! That's pretty good, i guess, but that's why i want someone else to write it. I don't think Stevie can be objective about what people thought about Stevie, or what Stevie was really doing...hell, she can't remember half of what she was doing anyway.
AMber

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

Because you said she's self-absorbed (which she is, along with everyone but John). That's a rather shocking thing to say aorund here, my dear. If I had said it, well, I would've been castrated!

Silly, dissention... you, and I, and Gaius, and Jason, and David, and many others have all made comments about Stevie being self-absorbed and/or self-indulgent on many occasions.

Most every "front-person" (counting the lead singers and/or the lead guitarists) since the dawn of pop music has been self-absorbed to one degree or another.
Lennon, McCartney, Presley, Morrison, Joplin, Hendrix, Plant, Page, Slick, Tyler (Steven, not Bonnie! ), Perry, Daltrey, Townsend, Nicks, Buckingham, Sting, Rose, etc., etc.

It's only shocking if someone wants to make it out to be.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by amber

Stevie, Stevie, Stevie! Why is is always about Stevie! That's pretty good, i guess, but that's why i want someone else to write it. I don't think Stevie can be objective about what people thought about Stevie, or what Stevie was really doing...hell, she can't remember half of what she was doing anyway.

I don't know that any of us would be all that great at being objective regarding what others think of us.
How can we not be biased? I mean, we'll either think everyone else is right about us and we're really a fraud, or we'll think WE'RE right and everyone else is an idiot.
At best, you might find some people who think the truth is somewhere in between... but those people usually aren't famous celebrities!

A "Tell-All" about Stevie would be interesting in a lurid way, but I don't lend much credence to those types of books. Though I'm sure Christopher Anderson and Kitty Kelly are thrilled that others do!

[amber]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I don't know that any of us would be all that great at being objective regarding what others think of us.
How can we not be biased? I mean, we'll either think everyone else is right about us and we're really a fraud, or we'll think WE'RE right and everyone else is an idiot.

Yes, exactly. I'm not really saying Stevie would be remiss if she didn't tell us these things, i wouldn't expect her to anyway, and like you said before, i'm sure she never would.
I can remember lots of times i was an idiot I guess i'm a fraud? hehehe. no. of course, no one would give a crap if books were written about us...
AMber

[David]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I don't know that any of us would be all that great at being objective regarding what others think of us.

To varying degrees. I think Stevie's especially self-focused, self-obsessed, even. It's just her personality & her temperament. She would be temperamentally unable to get much of a bird's-eye view of the historical record if she were to write her own book. (Personally, I don't think she'll ever write any kind of standard narrative book about herself or Fleetwood Mac -- all she'd ever publish would be parts of her journals & her "prose poems.")

Think back to Stevie's speech to induct Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers into the Hall of Fame: she presented their accomplishments through a strangely self-obsessed filter. She can't really speak or think objectively or analytically -- at least not in any prolonged fashion. Imagine her trying to create an outline for a huge task of expository prose (like a book bio). It wouldn't fly; she couldn't.

Or go back even further to Jim Ladd's interview with her in '83: he asked her about Benmont Tench & all she really had to say was that Benmont helps HER & her "girls" out. Jim responded subtly that he is also known to have played a keyboard part or two in his lifetime. Sometimes little exchanges like this reveal a lot about Stevie's personality & temperament & thinking in general. She doesn't see these talented people around her in her professional life in an analytical sense as musicians -- they're just her friends, which is sweet but it does tend to diminish them in a way.

You can't expect prolonged analysis from Stevie, at least not typically. I think I've posted something like this before. It's a little bit like asking a 5-year-old about her renowned scientist father. "Yeah, but he reads me stories at night."

[jbrownsjr]

Wow what a great post David. I tend to agree that at least the younger Stevie did not have any musical ettiquette. Whether on stage or in interviews she did not properly acknowledge the other musicians. In a professional setting and in the studio, this is very insulting. Especially for people like B Tench who have fantastic chops. I do think Stevie got better at this as she got older. I actually saw her acknowlege Christine after Rhinannon when I saw them in concert.

Attention young singers, you should always acknowledge your players!! They will save your ass in return, and probably already have.

These bad habits seem to get worse as time goes on with the entertainment business.

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Understood.

But then a statement such as, "Lindsey and I have had terrible fights... screaming, cursing, physical violence... because of jealousy and egotism on both of our parts," is basically saying the same thing as, "and then he screamed that i was a f******* no talent wh***, and I slapped him and told him to go f*** himself, he is just jealous cause people like my songs better"... but in a less sensationalistic way.

Know what I mean?

As for what's more interesting, cinematic reading, I WOULD WANT THE QUOTES.



I mean, if you're going to talk about drama, talk about drama.

If I am telling a story...to my shrink, to a friend, whatever...I get into detail. It's more informative, it's more entertaining. If it is a story about a fight, a typical day, a silly event, whatever. God is in the details. It's part of being a good storyteller. Rarely is a tasteful storyteller a compelling storyteller. Tasteful usually leaves out crucial context and details that flesh out the events.

Stevie can be exceedingly frank in some of her interviews. She has even told stories that don't make her look very good. For crying out loud, how many people would come out and say they have a hole in their septum big enough to pull a belt through ? But, I think she actually would want to wait until everyone is dead, especially her parents and the men she had relationships with. If she ever does get around to writing a book, it won't be for another 20 years anyway, and by then, about 10 of us will care. And, her memory will be completely shot. Unless those journals actually have detailed quotes, that is. I know mine do

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Quite frankly, I don't care to know which of her lovers was best in the bedroom, or which had the most ample endowment

Dude, the fact that you immediately went THERE is endlessly entertaining to me.



Makes me think maybe your autobiography wouldn't be so bland after all.