Howard Stern mentions F-Mac

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by sparky

Seing as neither of us are straight, perhaps our opinions about which women are and are not sexy are pretty uselss. LOL.

I can still tell you which women are "hot" and which women are "sexy."
They just don't "do it" for me in other ways.

Originally Posted by sparky

Actually, I loved it. She seemed to be doing a whole "Warhol-I-am-so-bored-with-this" thing. I thought it pretty rebellious and revolutionary.

Unfortunately, her boredom then became mine.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by The Tower

I saw Heart live at the Greek Theatre in LA and was in the front row right in front of Ann Wilson and she really kicks ass. She's only two years younger than Stevie and the contrast between the two is amazing.

I saw them on Saturday night at The Big E (for fifteen bucks, no less!) and they played the whole new album, plus one classic. You would never guess that it was all new material, they belted them out with such energy and gusto that you couldn't take your eyes off of them.

Originally Posted by The Tower

I'm sad that Stevie's an old lady and will never be like the Stevie I once knew. But, hey, everyone gets old. I just think people need to open up their eyes and admit that time has changed and not necessarily for the better.

The world won't stop turning if you say Stevie Nicks is a listless, old cow.

While I wouldn't call her a cow, you have the listless part right. But I attribute that to menopause, for the most part. I'll have to wait until she's finished going through it to make my final judgement. Singing in something other than her lowest register would make a HUGE difference.

[The Tower]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I can still tell you which women are "hot" and which women are "sexy."

I can't. I don't apply "hot" or "sexy" to anything but the male sex....

[sparky]

Originally Posted by The Tower

Eeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That bald-guy look is SO mid-90's over! And for me, it was never in at all... I wouldn't necessarily say that hair makes the man, but that baldy/spitter persona thing is so nazty.

You have never seen my ex. LOL. And if you get me within 20 feet of Mitch Pileggi (Skinner from the X-Files) the man doesn't stand a chance. Different strokes for, uh....different dudes.

I saw Heart live at the Greek Theatre in LA and was in the front row right in front of Ann Wilson and she really kicks ass. She's only two years younger than Stevie and the contrast between the two is amazing.

Love the Ann. Loving her. I have even warmed up to almost every song on the new record.

I'm sad that Stevie's an old lady and will never be like the Stevie I once knew. But, hey, everyone gets old. I just think people need to open up their eyes and admit that time has changed and not necessarily for the better.The world won't stop turning if you say Stevie Nicks is a listless, old cow.

OMG. Are you sure you're not Don Rickles ?

You know, I got out some old videos last night and had a mini Stevie Festival, as I used to call them back in the day.
I watched the US Festival, and the Solid Gold/SNL performances. My conclusion ? Stand Back is a world better than it ever was back then. Both musically - man it was thin and silly in all those shows - and in her performance. She really does have more focus now. Sure she was a knockout then, but she was F'd up beyond belief and kind of not even there.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by The Tower

I'm sad that Stevie's an old lady and will never be like the Stevie I once knew. But, hey, everyone gets old. I just think people need to open up their eyes and admit that time has changed and not necessarily for the better.

The world won't stop turning if you say Stevie Nicks is a listless, old cow.

I don't think it's that people aren't willing to "open their eyes" and admit she's changed. Not at all.
I just think some people are more willing to accept the change in Stevie's onstage demeanor.

Some people even.... *GASP*... love how she is onstage these days!
It shouldn't be that hard to accept or understand.

As I've said countless times, I definitely miss the days when she would "rock out" and act like a wild woman.
But that was then, and this is now.

Things change. So why bother trying to hold onto something and wanting it to always be the same?

Stevie's not the same as she was 10-20 years ago. And she's not Tina Turner, or Ann Wilson, or Cher, etc., etc., etc.
So why waste time wanting her to be?

Stevie's matured... I, for one, happen to like the maturity. I like the "Earth Mother" vibe she projects. It's real and it reflects who she is today.
She seems to be in a better emotional place, and she doesn't have as much to prove to herself or to her male peers, as she did in the '70s and '80s.

I don't expect everyone to feel the same way I feel. I guess I just honestly don't understand why it's such a big deal.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

We most definitely have two very different ideas of "sexy."

I think true sexiness doesn't hit you over the head. It's not in-your-face or aggressive.
True sexiness is exuded by someone who's graceful and classy.

I agree. Which is what I think Deborah Harry did. She wasn't in your face, she didn't show off her breasts or make suggestive gestures, she used her innocence in order to come across as sexy. Which she masterfully did, in my opinion. Stevie is too lost in her own little world to ever be sexy.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Veronica Lake was sexier than Mae West ever was.
Jaclyn Smith was sexier than Farrah Fawcett, Cheryl Ladd and Tanya Roberts combined.

There is great evidence to suggest that Mae West was a man, so...
Jaclyn was sexier, too. Farrah was a bimbo, as were the others.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I respond to humour, too, and playfulness. But I see that in Stevie as well.
Not so much when she's on-stage, but she's typically very funny in interviews, and, depending on who's interviewing her, she can be quite playful.

I don't, I see a morose being who smiles only when necessary. In my opinion, she lost her playfulness and humor in interviews years ago. Now, she simply goes through the motions to promote her current project.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

Biting the heads off of roses and spitting them at the audience might be bold and funny, but it's not what I'd call "sexy."

That's the difference between you and I, I guess.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

(As for my opinion of Debbie's onstage demeanor... I don't know what the footage was from. But I've seen several clips of her over the years... in one I believe she's wearing a black dress... and she just STANDS there. The music is pulsating and alive, and she's not moving an inch. I was bored looking at her. This was around 1981. )

Beats me, I've never seen such footage.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by sparky

You have never seen my ex. LOL. And if you get me within 20 feet of Mitch Pileggi (Skinner from the X-Files) the man doesn't stand a chance. Different strokes for, uh....different dudes.

*picks jaw off of floor*

Originally Posted by sparky

OMG. Are you sure you're not Don Rickles ?

OMG, I'm beginning to think that even Don Rickles gets you hot.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by dissention

Beats me, I've never seen such footage.

I don't what it was from, but apparently sparky has seen it too, since he felt she was doing a whole "Warhol-boredom" thing in it.

As for Stevie being "morose" and "only smiling when necessary"... huh?
She was the funniest thing about 'Destiny Rules' (and not in an unintentional/embarrassing kind of way), and she seems so friendly and funny with the likes of Letterman, Rosie O'Donnell, Leno, Mark & Brian, etc.

It doesn't seem forced, or put on to promote an album.

Can anyone really smile and laugh 100% of the time? I don't think so.
We all have to be serious once in a while (and this coming from the guy who's always trying to get his father to lighten up!).

[sparky]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I can still tell you which women are "hot" and which women are "sexy."
They just don't "do it" for me in other ways.

Okay. I, for one, tend to question my own assessment of the relative attractiveness of women. I think my opinion is aesthetic, and not based on a visceral, animal reaction. It is a different thing than what a straight guy thinks. I mean, I wouldn't, under anything but extreme circumstances, do anything about it.

[sparky]

Originally Posted by dissention

I hate to disagree again, but I must.

YOU ? Hate to disagree ?

[sparky]

Originally Posted by dissention

*picks jaw off of floor*



OMG, I'm beginning to think that even Don Rickles gets you hot.

Bite your tongue. Blech.

Mitch is a stud. That seething, surly thing. Woof.

Now I am sure I am scaring you.

[sparky]

Originally Posted by dissention

Beats me, I've never seen such footage.

I am thinking, specifically, of a performance of Heart Of Glass on SNL. I think she had on the garbage bag dress.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by sparky

Okay. I, for one, tend to question my own assessment of the relative attractiveness of women. I think my opinion is aesthetic, and not based on a visceral, animal reaction. It is a different thing than what a straight guy thinks. I mean, I wouldn't, under anything but extreme circumstances, do anything about it.

I'm an artist, so I definitely respond to things that are aesthetically pleasing in photographs, paintings, etc. So I think I have a pretty good gauge of what's "sexy" on that level.
Now when it comes to relationships, there has to be MUCH more than a "pretty face."
In fact, a "pretty face" is pretty far down on the list of requirements.

And, of course, being a gay man, I don't respond to women the exact same way a straight man would or does.
When I was a kid, I thought Princess Leia looked so cool in her slave outfit from 'Return Of The Jedi'... my brother, however, considers seeing her in that outfit as the defining moment of his puberty.

I still find certain women "hot" though, despite a lack of interest in them romantically.

I'd say that maybe I'm just an oddball... but I think that's a "given thing"!

[dissention]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

As for Stevie being "morose" and "only smiling when necessary"... huh?
She was the funniest thing about 'Destiny Rules' (and not in an unintentional/embarrassing kind of way), and she seems so friendly and funny with the likes of Letterman, Rosie O'Donnell, Leno, Mark & Brian, etc.

Lindsey is the one who really came across as the happy-go-lucky individual, which wasn't always how I perceived him before. I think she's a happy person, but she isn't what I would call having a sunny disposition as of late. A lot of her playfulness seems to have really diminished in recent years. Disagree, fine, lord knows I have disagreed with your perception of Debbie. But that's my perception of Stevie, unfortunately.

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

It doesn't seem forced, or put on to promote an album.

It didn't ten years ago. Ten years ago, she came across as a chick you just wanted to have a beer with. Now, she seems too reserved most times.

[dissention]

Originally Posted by sparky

I am thinking, specifically, of a performance of Heart Of Glass on SNL. I think she had on the garbage bag dress.

OMG, that reminds me of the American Bandstand appearances. Those were the worst. The lip-syncing and the cupids bow and arrow, etc. Too, too funny.