Something I have long believed, now being confirmed

[irishgrl]

I saw this headline today on Yahoo News: Arab TV exec states Muslims are responsible for Majority of Terrorism worldwide

Siege Prompts Self-Criticism in Arab Media
Sat Sep 4, 9:23 AM ET
By MAGGIE MICHAEL, Associated Press Writer

CAIRO, Egypt - Muslims worldwide are the main perpetrators of terrorism, a humiliating and painful truth that must be acknowledged, a prominent Arab writer and television executive wrote Saturday, as Middle East media and officials expressed horror at the bloody rebel siege of a Russian school.

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As I note the news around the world, it is a truth that everywhere you have battle, bloodshed and strife, you have Muslims. Afghanistan, Pakistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, Phillipines, Israel, Iraq, Iran.......Radical Muslims to be sure, but Muslims nonetheless. Now, an Arab writer and tv exec has come out and bravely said this very thing. While these radicals represent a fraction of the whole, why is it that the Muslim community doesnt do more to curtail their activities? There are huge sums of money being channeled to the terrorist cels via wealthy contributions from governments, and in some cases private individuals as a means to buy off these terrorists and hopefully allow them to direct their dastardly activities elsewhere. Muslims say that the Koran does not condone killing of innocents, but yet, it is happening and these radicals point to the Koran as their justification, saying that they are fighting a holy war, or jihad. What usually follows then, is a debate over just what constitutes a holy war, and the proper definition of prisoners of war, and what to do with them. For a look at two sides of the argument: Al Qaeda v. Koran and Using the Koran to justify beheaddings both links are from the National Review Online, a hardline conservative website....(btw, I am a hardcore Democrat)

Because no one within the Muslim community will step up and stop these radicals, it is left to the world at large to counteract them, and I am afraid I forsee the Biblical Armageddon coming to pass....

[irishgrl]

my point is, everywhere there is warfare, there are Muslims.
Muslims occupy an area, and then cause strife because they want to have an independent Muslim state where ever they are...do you remember Pakistan?
That was once part of India, but the Muslims occupied it, and began insisting on their own state. Same thing in Chechneya and Israel.....This is a pattern of establishing little pockets of Muslim countries/states inside of larger countries/states...and yes, there is battle on both sides, but the history goes back centuries and I have found that over the course of time, the Muslims are more often the aggressors, and only now, due to global news, are we seeing what is happening. Unfortunately, as in the case in Bosnia, it was Milosivec's (sp?) turn to retaliate...and the world was aghast. When you do a search for Croatia or Serbia, you get a different picture of what happened. Another group that has suffered at the hands of the Muslims is the Kurds in Turkey.
So, I suspect in Russia with the Chechneyans, there has been much back and forth, but I sympathize with Russia.

[tommer]

Originally Posted by Lux

Yes this may be true but it's not taking into consideration what causes groups to carry out terrorist activities.

this is BY FAR the most STUPID and APPALLING statement i ever read on these boards EVER.
you really made my blood boil, is there any kind of thinking mechanism which seperates your fingers from the keyboard AT ALL, or you just barf whatever's that pops up? what do you mean by "causes"?? is this some kind of a pavlovian reaction of being forced to explode civilians when you're politically dissatisfied that we have to "take into consuderation" i wonder? WHAT ON EARTH CAN JUSTIFY those hundreds of butchered russian kids? nothing justifies the dangers lurking on every bus station and resturaunt in my country, nor the lives of 9.11's victims and those australians who lost their lives in Bali in 2002.
terror can NOT be justified by ANY reason.

[tommer]

Originally Posted by Lux

Oh and you never make my blood boil. I never said it was justified, I think it is appaling. I was implying that people don't consider acts commited by governments against people to be terrorism. If it's individuals or groups then its counts as terrorism. When governments terrorise people it doesn't count, therefore this calculation is biased.

yes darling. that's right. there are goverments and other political organizations which are responsible for dealing conflicts. when those fail, there are armies. under no circumstances can terrorist groups or individuals should be allowed to take action.

[tommer]

Originally Posted by Lux

The Balinese victims never get a mention and this just typifies what I hate about this country so don't expect me to get blindly patriotic.

i'm not expecting any patriotism. but since i'm hopeless in turning to the reasonable side, i tried the humane sentiment (and in vain as just been witnessed).

[tommer]

Originally Posted by Lux

Some governments apparently are forced to explode civilians, often kids who are throwing stones in response to being imprisoned as a way of life. Hmmmm. We'll let this pass and just argue that a race of people are terrorist and that another is a race of victims. As wrong of an approach as this is, there is no denying that these people have been pushed to the limit, they don't just respond because it's Saturday and they're bored. And once againn, don't tell me that I'm endorsing it, I'm simply trying to look at the root of the problem.

excuse me, but understanding the reasoning behind it IS IN FACT A JUSTIFICATION.
if people are "pushed to their limits" and need a new and different political solution they must reach out to their politicians for aid, not blow up innocent children. it has nothing to do with the israeli-palestinian problem or any other conflict, it's just a matter of basic civility and nothing more.

[tommer]

Originally Posted by Lux

Oh that is a load of ****.
But governments can blow up these innocent child? When you live under the rule of a government that shows no civility to your people, how do just accept that? It's human nature to respond and try for a better life.

no you don't. see? that's just a part of your western/christian/democratic way of thinking, when in fact if you were a North Korean or a Libyan, you would have been taught to think otherwise.
please Lux, go to sleep now, i know it's very late in australia, and your brain cell sure seems to be needing its rest.

[tommer]

Originally Posted by Lux

Well that certainly is worthy of a 'f*ck you'. And to think I'm listening to that song you sent me in the name of making me feel better.

You're certainly done with if your argument is now that the other person must have low brain cell capacity. I'm not high and I'm thinking clearly thankyou. I suggest that if either of us is incapable of dicussing this reasonably, it would be the pothead amongst us.

i didn't suggest you were high, but if i can beat you in such an easy argument while I'M high and your'e "thinking clearly" what can it teach us?

ps
please do not reach out for me next time when you try taking your own life.
success is just a step away.

[tommer]

well....
(on second thought, some things are better left unsaid)
nevermind.
thank you.

[David]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

I am afraid I forsee the Biblical Armageddon coming to pass....

Happy Rapture!

[tommer]

ok, it is now obviously clear that (despite living in the world's most terrorized country for 32 years or so) i do know nothing about it, so i guess i'm gonna have to retreat at this point. i think i've already made myself look stupid enough.

[irishgrl]

This is news to me Irish girl, I wasn't aware that the Orangemen were Muslim.

dont you mean the IRA? after all, arent they considered terrorists? Actually, I sympathise with their plight, because they are trying to eject the English interlopers. which is why your comment doesnt apply. In every case I mentioned, the Muslims were the interlopers. They came to an area, occupied it, grew in numbers, and then agitated for statehood, or independence. The Muslims are incapable of living peaceably with their neighbors anywhere because they see any non-Muslims as infidels, and have no compunction about killing them. in fact, some even think they are racking up good points for their afterlife by styling what they are doing a holy war.

No, I stand by my original statement: the Muslims are the cause of strife and bloodshed around the globe. and I believe that the Arab tv exec who had the guts to actually say it out loud should be applauded. I am sure he is now considered a traitor by his own countrymen...

ok, it is now obviously clear that (despite living in the world's most terrorized country for 32 years or so)

Actually Tommer, the Irish have you beat.....but, I AM an Israeli sympathizer.

[gldstwmn]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

No, I stand by my original statement: the Muslims are the cause of strife and bloodshed around the globe.

So what's the answer? Genocide? Some of the "Muslims" who flew planes into the WTC's were notorious party boys who indulged in strippers and cocaine.
What about the Basque Separatists? The Khmer Rouge? The Red Brigade? Sendero Luminoso?

[EnchantedSLN]

Originally Posted by irishgrl

The Muslims are incapable of living peaceably with their neighbors anywhere because they see any non-Muslims as infidels, and have no compunction about killing them.

There are Muslims all over the world who live in peace in their communities and would never kill anyone based on the way some of their peers interpret the Qur'an. Yes, Muslim groups are responsible for a lot of terrorism across the globe, but be very careful not to demonize all Muslims with such a reactionary blanket statement.

[irishgrl]

Some of the "Muslims" who flew planes into the WTC's were notorious party boys who indulged in strippers and cocaine.

Golddust: I dont know what the answer is, I am just afraid that in the end, we are going see a HUGE culture clash that may well be the prophesied Armageddon.....btw: those "party boys" violated several of the Tenants of Islam by indulging in drugs/alcohol and their dealings with unclean women! Im sure their reward is NOT going to be what they had hoped for~

EnchantedSLN: I said in my original statement that it is the Radical element that is doing the actual terrorism, but I also hold the rest of the Muslim community responsible because they arent doing anything to stop their own. They will decry the radical's actions publicly, but privately, many are channeling HUGE sums of money to these monsters. Lets face it, without these contributions, the radicals would not be able to do what they are doing! it takes LOTS of $$ to carry off the type of operations such as 9/11 and others....so, if the moderate Muslims dont wish to be tarred with the same brush, maybe they should stand up to these radicals, and the hardline clerics and realize that they have to share the world with the rest of us.