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Remember...the full story has not come out yet...this stems much deeper than rape charges.
I agree. The full story hasn't come out yet.
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Thank you. Yet some people have a party bias and can't understand that it has nothing to do with the party and has nothing to do with the grand scheme of national politics...it has to do with the person. This isn't a DNC thing...this is a Jim McGreevey/State of NJ thing.

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No problem. You know, the more "enlightened" we all are, the blinder we are to our own selves sometimes.
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Former McGreevey official sought $50 million, aides say



TRENTON, New Jersey (AP) -- The man who claims Gov. James E. McGreevey sexually harassed him was pushing for a cash settlement of up to $50 million before the governor decided to announce that he was gay and had an extramarital affair, sources told The Associated Press.

Golan Cipel's demands also included a last-minute push to have McGreevey's administration approve development plans for a private medical college in the state, two senior members of the administration said Saturday. Both sources spoke on condition of anonymity.

McGreevey's lawyer refused to negotiate, one of the sources said, and rejected repeated offers to pay cash to avoid a lawsuit that would detail the governor's relationship with Cipel, a former campaign aide whose appointment as a homeland security adviser with little experience provoked a major political controversy for the governor.

Cipel's lawyer first contacted McGreevey on July 23, asking for $50 million, one of the administration sources said. More offers were made, and the price dropped. Each time McGreevey's lawyer refused to agree and did not discuss the issue further, the source said.

Eventually that figure dropped to $5 million, both sources said, and the offers to avoid a sexual harassment lawsuit continued Thursday afternoon just as McGreevey made up his mind to declare his homosexuality and admit to an extramarital affair with a man.

Two sources close to McGreevey said Thursday that Cipel was the unnamed man the governor acknowledged having an affair with in his resignation speech that day.

The FBI is investigating whether a former employee tried to blackmail the governor, according to law enforcement sources.

Investigators were notified after Cipel's lawyer asked that McGreevey intervene with a plan by Touro College to build a medical school in New Jersey.

"Touro was a last-ditch effort when the money dropped," one of the administration sources said.

Representatives of the small Jewish school in Manhattan met with the state health commissioner in late 2002, but did not move forward with plans for a medical school, that source said.

Several calls by The Associated Press to the college Saturday were not returned.

The school's board members include Charles Kushner, a real estate developer who gave millions to Jewish organizations and politicians, including McGreevey and former U.S. Sen. Robert Torricelli, D-New Jersey.

Torricelli represented Touro College in its attempt to develop a new medical school in the state, said Sean Jackson, a vice president of Lambertville-based Rosemont Associates, a business venture involving Torricelli. Jackson said Cipel was not involved with the project.

"Neither Sen. Torricelli nor myself have ever spoken or met with Mr. Cipel. We find this whole matter quite bewildering," Jackson said.

Kushner was the sponsor for the work visa that allowed Cipel to come to the United States and gave him a $30,000-a-year job in public relations with one of his companies.

Cipel met McGreevey during a trip to Israel and then worked on his 2001 campaign. He became McGreevey's hand-picked homeland security adviser with a $110,000 annual salary but was unable to get federal security clearances because he was not a U.S. citizen.

McGreevey eventually moved Cipel out of that job but kept him on the payroll as an adviser. Cipel quietly left state government for a public relations job in August 2002.

Cipel's lawyer, Alan Lowy, did not return repeated phone messages left Saturday seeking comment.

On Friday, he disputed claims his client had threatened a lawsuit unless he received money. He said McGreevey's representatives offered Cipel money not to file a lawsuit.

"It was only at the insistence of the governor's representatives that I agreed to meet with them before filing a lawsuit," Lowy said. He added that "only time will tell" if Cipel pursues legal action.

McGreevey has made no public statements since his nationally televised admission on Thursday. The governor was unavailable for interviews Saturday, spokeswoman Kathy Ellis said.

He plans to leave office on November 15, a delay that would allow state Senate President Richard J. Codey, a fellow Democrat, to be acting governor until McGreevey's term ends January 2006.

Republican lawmakers have demanded that McGreevey resign now, which would make a special election necessary.



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Okay. Let me get this straight. This guy that makes $30,000 a year is suing the governor but he's got an attorney working on his behalf? Now, correct me if I'm wrong but unless the attorney has taken this case on contingency (Ha!) someone's footing Cipel's legal bills. I wonder who that could be?
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Okay. Let me get this straight. This guy that makes $30,000 a year is suing the governor but he's got an attorney working on his behalf? Now, correct me if I'm wrong but unless the attorney has taken this case on contingency (Ha!) someone's footing Cipel's legal bills. I wonder who that could be?
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Plus, it is kind of hard to claim rape if you continue to have sex with the person, accept a job from them, etc. Despite the apparent ineffectiveness of this guy's administration, this rape cry seems illegit. But, maybe there are more facts
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I doubt it.
So you're telling me that if it was a Republican in place of a Democrat, you'd still be bitching?

I doubt it.
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[URL=http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6335287&BRD=1697&PAG=461&dept_id=44551&rfi=6]Article from The Trentonian 12/10/2002[/URL]

Why did you select a tabloid? That article is pure horse****. You wouldn't be tryin' to fool an old east coast girl, now would you? Check out the dirt on this rag:
http://www.snappingturtle.net/flit/a...002_07_25.html
JUST A LITTLE TOO MUCH HASH ON THE NEWSROOM FLOOR THAT NIGHT...

From Howie Kurtz:

"The publisher of a city tabloid apologized in print Tuesday for a headline on the paper's story about a recent fire at a psychiatric facility.

"The Trentonian's story on a July 9 fire that damaged an administration building at Trenton Psychiatric Hospital appeared under the headline 'Roasted Nuts.' There were no patients in the building and no one was injured.

"In a signed editorial, publisher David B. Bonfield called it a 'crude, thoughtless headline that cruelly made light of mental illness. In the bargain, it was inaccurate.'"


http://www.capitalcentury.com/1946.html
The Trentonian has come far from its scruffy infancy of the '40s. One thing that hasn't changed: it's still a tabloid, with a tabloid's huge headlines and feistiness when it comes to attacking

Check out what the publisher's current gig is:
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Wednesday October 22, 2:00 pm ET

WOODLAND HILLS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 22, 2003--Youbet.com, Inc. (Nasdaq:UBET - News), a leading online wagering company and the largest provider of horse racing content in the United States, today announced that two accomplished marketing executives have joined the Company as regional General Managers of Youbet's aggressive new business development program.

David B. Bonfield, a widely experienced advertising and marketing executive who was most recently publisher of the Trentonian/Journal Register Company, New Jersey, has become General Manager of Youbet's Eastern Region. Jeff True, former general manager and director of marketing of Los Alamitos Race Course in Cypress, California and a 15-year veteran of the horse racing industry, has joined Youbet as General Manager, Western Region.

The new Youbet executives will be responsible for management and development of existing race track and marketing relationships, including track and vendor contract negotiations, and for expansion of Youbet's presence in their respective regions, the Company said. They will also monitor state and local legislatures and other regulatory bodies and develop relationships with leading horsemen.

"With these outstanding managers now in place, we have a powerhouse marketing capability that can propel Youbet to continued growth in two of our major markets," said Charles F. Champion, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Youbet.com. "Customers and content are the keys to market share growth for Youbet, and we are confident that Dave and Jeff will bring us even more closely in touch with bettors, tracks and other important constituencies," Champion added. "Their efforts are essential to the success of our strategic plan to grow handle by leveraging Youbet's superior product and technology advantages," he concluded.

Youbet said it is seeking an individual with credentials comparable to those of Bonfield and True to manage its Midwestern region.

Youbet.com is the largest Internet provider of thoroughbred, quarter horse and harness horse racing content in the United States. Members have the ability to watch and, in most states, the ability to wager on virtually 100% of all major domestic horse racing content via Youbet.com's exclusive closed-loop network. Youbet.com members enjoy features that include commingled track pools, live audio/video, up-to-the-minute track information, real-time wagering information, phone wagering and value-added handicapping products.

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So you're telling me that if it was a Republican in place of a Democrat, you'd still be bitching?

I doubt it.
You're changing the argument. Who's paying Cipel's lawyer bill for his $50 million lawsuit? Doesn't this seem the least bit fishy to you? Cipel was reported to the FBI, after all. Where's you contempt for him? He's an Israeli citizen who accepted a plum job with the guy he was having an affair with. Both parties are accountable here. There's a whole lot more to this, as I suspected from the very begining. McGreevey won the election fair and square, right? He's been charged with no wrongdoing in respect to his performance as governor of the state of New Jersey. There will be an election in 15 months. My suggestion would be, if you are that passionate about it, go out and find yourself someone who you think will make a good governor and start working for them-now.
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[URL=http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=6335287&BRD=1697&PAG=461&dept_id=44551&rfi=6
Article from The Trentonian 12/10/2002[/URL]

Why did you select a tabloid? That article is pure horse****. You wouldn't be tryin' to fool an old east coast girl, now would you? Check out the dirt on this rag:
http://www.snappingturtle.net/flit/a...002_07_25.html
JUST A LITTLE TOO MUCH HASH ON THE NEWSROOM FLOOR THAT NIGHT...

From Howie Kurtz:

"The publisher of a city tabloid apologized in print Tuesday for a headline on the paper's story about a recent fire at a psychiatric facility.

"The Trentonian's story on a July 9 fire that damaged an administration building at Trenton Psychiatric Hospital appeared under the headline 'Roasted Nuts.' There were no patients in the building and no one was injured.

"In a signed editorial, publisher David B. Bonfield called it a 'crude, thoughtless headline that cruelly made light of mental illness. In the bargain, it was inaccurate.'"


http://www.capitalcentury.com/1946.html
The Trentonian has come far from its scruffy infancy of the '40s. One thing that hasn't changed: it's still a tabloid, with a tabloid's huge headlines and feistiness when it comes to attacking

Check out what the publisher's current gig is:
http://www.online-casino.cc/gambling...onal-Posts.htm
Youbet.com Attracts Top Managers for New Regional Posts
Wednesday October 22, 2:00 pm ET

WOODLAND HILLS, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 22, 2003--Youbet.com, Inc. (Nasdaq:UBET - News), a leading online wagering company and the largest provider of horse racing content in the United States, today announced that two accomplished marketing executives have joined the Company as regional General Managers of Youbet's aggressive new business development program.

David B. Bonfield, a widely experienced advertising and marketing executive who was most recently publisher of the Trentonian/Journal Register Company, New Jersey, has become General Manager of Youbet's Eastern Region. Jeff True, former general manager and director of marketing of Los Alamitos Race Course in Cypress, California and a 15-year veteran of the horse racing industry, has joined Youbet as General Manager, Western Region.

The new Youbet executives will be responsible for management and development of existing race track and marketing relationships, including track and vendor contract negotiations, and for expansion of Youbet's presence in their respective regions, the Company said. They will also monitor state and local legislatures and other regulatory bodies and develop relationships with leading horsemen.

"With these outstanding managers now in place, we have a powerhouse marketing capability that can propel Youbet to continued growth in two of our major markets," said Charles F. Champion, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Youbet.com. "Customers and content are the keys to market share growth for Youbet, and we are confident that Dave and Jeff will bring us even more closely in touch with bettors, tracks and other important constituencies," Champion added. "Their efforts are essential to the success of our strategic plan to grow handle by leveraging Youbet's superior product and technology advantages," he concluded.

Youbet said it is seeking an individual with credentials comparable to those of Bonfield and True to manage its Midwestern region.

Youbet.com is the largest Internet provider of thoroughbred, quarter horse and harness horse racing content in the United States. Members have the ability to watch and, in most states, the ability to wager on virtually 100% of all major domestic horse racing content via Youbet.com's exclusive closed-loop network. Youbet.com members enjoy features that include commingled track pools, live audio/video, up-to-the-minute track information, real-time wagering information, phone wagering and value-added handicapping products.

That's an odd one.


You may chap a lot of asses on this board and scare people away from presenting political thought that isn't necessarily the same as yours but you don't scare me. Funny. You didn't answer my question. Afraid that for once perhaps, someone else might actually have validity to a statment that you can't bash with your canned political rhetoric?

From The Star Ledger (a credible NJ Newspaper)

Oh, and since you have to be a member, I took the liberty of copying and pasting....

In N.J., junkets to cost party (Philadelphia Inquirer Article)

The state Democratic Committee will pay $75,000 toward Gov. McGreevey's travel costs.

By Angela Couloumbis

Inquirer Trenton Bureau

TRENTON - First it was a high-priced trade mission to Ireland for himself, his family and some of his top aides - all billed to the state.

Then it was more than a dozen personal trips he made around and outside New Jersey in a state-owned helicopter - again on the taxpayers' dime.

Now, Gov. McGreevey finds himself in the uncomfortable position of having to reimburse the state for his travels and has turned to the state Democratic Committee to help him out.

In all, the state committee will pay a total of about $75,000 for the trips, party officials said yesterday. McGreevey will pay about $3,100 out of his own pocket for a family reunion he held at a Northern Ireland steak house while there on a trade mission last summer.

Though the $75,000 the party will pay is just a fraction of the more than $1.7 million it has on hand, the move is an embarrassing one for McGreevey, who over the last 10 months has called for fiscal responsibility as the state has faced steep budget shortfalls.

The governor could not be reached for comment yesterday. But last week, he apologized for how much his trade mission to Ireland cost - just over $70,000, including security costs - and acknowledged it was a mistake to have had the entire cost billed to the state.

Expensive helicopter rides

Yesterday, McGreevey spokesman Kevin Davitt said the administration has asked the Democratic Party to reimburse taxpayers just over $18,000 for private trips McGreevey has taken in state-owned helicopters since taking office in mid-January.

The helicopters are normally used for state business. McGreevey, who has taken a total of 272 trips since taking office, has also used it 14 times for personal trips, including once for a trip for a New Jersey lawmaker's wedding.

Davitt would not give details yesterday on what other personal business the governor conducted while on those trips.

But when asked under what general circumstances the governor would use the helicopter for personal reasons, Davitt said: "If the governor has had to attend an official event and then needs to have a private meeting."

Davitt said that the hourly operating cost for one of the helicopters is $1,800, and $600 for the other. Both are operated by the New Jersey State Police.

Repayment was planned

Davitt said that the Governor's Office has been reviewing the helicopter travel logs on a monthly basis and had always planned to reimburse the state on a yearly basis.

"There are many folks that would argue that anything the governor does to help the state is related to his role as governor," Davitt said. But McGreevey, he said, wanted to "err on the side of caution" and reimburse the state.

It is not the first time a governor has taken heat for using the state helicopters. Gov. Whitman came under fire early in her term for using a state helicopter after she had pledged not to.

But news of McGreevey's helicopter usage follows news reports last week that his trip to Ireland in August cost in excess of $70,000 - despite assertions by the administration at the time that it would cost only $20,000.

McGreevey went on the trip with his wife, Dina, eight government officials, and three state troopers on the governor's security detail. The governor flew first class, and while there, stayed in a $400-a-night suite and used the services of a chauffeur in a Mercedes-Benz.






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You may chap a lot of asses on this board and scare people away from presenting political thought that isn't necessarily the same as yours but you don't scare me. Funny. You didn't answer my question. Afraid that for once perhaps, someone else might actually have validity to a statment that you can't bash with your canned political rhetoric?

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I'm a little surprised that your responses keep coming back to me as opposed to the topic at hand.
I'm not trying to scare anybody, nor am I afraid.
A lot of the male posters have strong political opinions, however I do not see them being vilified in this manner.
My political thoughts are based on what I've drawn from a variety of sources.
I try to back up my postions with the facts and how I interpret them.
I"ll respond to your question. I can't really answer you because no gay Republican governor has ever had extortion perpetrated on him (or her) and has outed himself and then resigned. I don't have anything to compare it to where I'd go "Yeah, that guy should have quit" or "Yeah, that guy should have stayed." I did provide the Nixon comparison, which is about as close as I can come. The Ryan scandal doesn't count because he wasn't elected yet. Those are the only ones I can think of right now.

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I'm a little surprised that your responses keep coming back to me as opposed to the topic at hand.
I'm not trying to scare anybody, nor am I afraid.
A lot of the male posters have strong political opinions, however I do not see them being vilified in this manner.
My political thoughts are based on what I've drawn from a variety of sources.
I try to back up my postions with the facts and how I interpret them.
I"ll respond to your question. I can't really answer you because no gay Republican governor has ever had extortion perpetrated on him (or her) and has outed himself and then resigned. I don't have anything to compare it to where I'd go "Yeah, that guy should have quit" or "Yeah, that guy should have stayed." I did provide the Nixon comparison, which is about as close as I can come. The Ryan scandal doesn't count because he wasn't elected yet. Those are the only ones I can think of right now.
I don't know...when you keep quoting GardenStateGirlie and responding to my views, points, and sources, asking me if i'm "fooling" you with an article i'd presented, what were you expecting?

My political thoughts are based on what I've drawn from a variety of sources. I try to back up my postions with the facts and how I interpret them.

Telling me and other posters in a thread about the state of New Jersey possibly having the opportunity to vote for their own governor in a special election (should McGreevey outright resign immediately) that we shouldn't have one because it might be tainted is BS and what got me to reply to you in the first place. "Tainted" to you means not voting correctly, i.e. Democratic. THAT bothers me. I vote for the person and their views and not the party. I hope others do as well.
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I don't know...when you keep quoting GardenStateGirlie and responding to my views, points, and sources, asking me if i'm "fooling" you with an article i'd presented, what were you expecting?

My political thoughts are based on what I've drawn from a variety of sources. I try to back up my postions with the facts and how I interpret them.

Telling me and other posters in a thread about the state of New Jersey possibly having the opportunity to vote for their own governor in a special election (should McGreevey outright resign immediately) that we shouldn't have one because it might be tainted is BS and what got me to reply to you in the first place. "Tainted" to you means not voting correctly, i.e. Democratic. THAT bothers me. I vote for the person and their views and not the party. I hope others do as well.
Once again, why is this about me? When I made the "fooling" comment, I was just playing but did want you to know the source of the article was a tabloid, which I suspected when I read it.
Having an election now would defintely be tainted by this thing, don't you think? It's starting to look like quite the set up, if you ask me ala Paula Jones/Bill Clinton. As I said, who do you think is paying Cipel's legal bills? The guy makes $30,000 a year.
Governor McGreevey was fairly elected. He may not have been a great governor in your opinion but that is what the next election is for. He is not being charged with any gubernatorial misdeeds.
If there were to be a special election, I suspect that you might not even be pleased with those candidates. As I said, if you are that passionate about it, find someone you like and start working for them now, so they can be eleceted when the next election comes.
Weren't you supposed to be moving to LA now anyway? I hear they've got a fabulous Republican governor, who's definitely not gay. He might grab you though.
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Plus, it is kind of hard to claim rape if you continue to have sex with the person, accept a job from them, etc. Despite the apparent ineffectiveness of this guy's administration, this rape cry seems illegit. But, maybe there are more facts
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Once again, why is this about me? When I made the "fooling" comment, I was just playing but did want you to know the source of the article was a tabloid, which I suspected when I read it.
Having an election now would defintely be tainted by this thing, don't you think? It's starting to look like quite the set up, if you ask me ala Paula Jones/Bill Clinton. As I said, who do you think is paying Cipel's legal bills? The guy makes $30,000 a year.
Governor McGreevey was fairly elected. He may not have been a great governor in your opinion but that is what the next election is for. He is not being charged with any gubernatorial misdeeds.
If there were to be a special election, I suspect that you might not even be pleased with those candidates. As I said, if you are that passionate about it, find someone you like and start working for them now, so they can be eleceted when the next election comes.
Weren't you supposed to be moving to LA now anyway? I hear they've got a fabulous Republican governor, who's definitely not gay. He might grab you though.
Sure, he makes $30,000 a year now but when he worked for McGreevey he was making 100,000+. Surely he can pay for himself.

If there were a special election, i would be pleased with the candidates. As I said, Brett Schundler would run on the Republican ticket and most likely Corzine or Rob Andrews would run on the Democratic. I really like Rob Andrews and have had the opportunity to meet and speak with him on more than one occassion. It would be a good race and in fact, I don't know who i'd vote for.

No. I'm going to move to Colorado and vote for every single Republican humanly possible.

Kidding.

And again, I don't care that McGreevey is gay.
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