NJ Governor McGreevey resigns - Page 4

Josh2003 · #46 08-13-2004, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

There's a huge difference between a national election and a state election.

Actually, in this case, there is a difference, but the state election could have huge effects on the national election.

Say Gov. McGreevey does resign before the deadline for the Nov. 2 election. Many voters might associate this scandal with Democrats, since McGreevey is a Dem. More Republicans might come to the polls, in an attempt to elect a Republican governor. More Republicans at the polls=more votes for Bush, putting New Jersey in play.

GardenStateGirlie · #47 08-13-2004, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh2003

Actually, in this case, there is a difference, but the state election could have huge effects on the national election.

Say Gov. McGreevey does resign before the deadline for the Nov. 2 election. Many voters might associate this scandal with Democrats, since McGreevey is a Dem. More Republicans might come to the polls, in an attempt to elect a Republican governor. More Republicans at the polls=more votes for Bush, putting New Jersey in play.

Doubtful. New Jersey has a strong history of giving it's electoral votes to the Democratic candidate. Kerry bumperstickers abound in the Garden State with most registered voters wanting Bush out of office. McGreevey's faux pas won't have an impact on the Presidential election, IMO.

gldstwmn · #48 08-13-2004, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

There's a huge difference between a national election and a state election.

Nixon's administration was rife with corruption and you're asserting that a new election should be held because McGreevy's administrations was rife with corruption. What's the difference?

gldstwmn · #49 08-13-2004, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh2003

Actually, in this case, there is a difference, but the state election could have huge effects on the national election.

Say Gov. McGreevey does resign before the deadline for the Nov. 2 election. Many voters might associate this scandal with Democrats, since McGreevey is a Dem. More Republicans might come to the polls, in an attempt to elect a Republican governor. More Republicans at the polls=more votes for Bush, putting New Jersey in play.

Yup.

GardenStateGirlie · #50 08-13-2004, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Nixon's administration was rife with corruption and you're asserting that a new election should be held because McGreevy's administrations was rife with corruption. What's the difference?

I don't know...maybe because it's the law in NJ that when you have no appointed Lt. Gov and the Gov. resigns, you have a new election. Maybe I can't read?

GardenStateGirlie · #51 08-13-2004, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Yup.

The McGreevey situation will have no effect on the fact that NJ voters want Bush out of office. Don't worry...your man will still get our electoral votes.

gldstwmn · #52 08-13-2004, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

I don't know...maybe because it's the law in NJ that when you have no appointed Lt. Gov and the Gov. resigns, you have a new election. Maybe I can't read?

Ah, you didn't answer the question.

GardenStateGirlie · #53 08-14-2004, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

Ah, you didn't answer the question.

I'm asserting that when someone resigns from public office that proper protocal should be followed. Was proper protocal followed in Nixon's case? Was someone else not appointed to office as designed by the law? That's right, it was. The Vice President took office as the law states. Here, the Lt. Gov (who would be a Democrat and much like the state version of a Vice Pres. I suppose you could say) would take office. However, since the state of NJ doesn't currently have one, we have to vote to find a replacement for our current Governor. That's national politics....this is the protocal for NJ State politics. I don't know how they differ from state to state but I do know this is what happens in NJ when you have no Lt. Gov...it simply is what it is. The protocal is to hold a new election establishing a new Governor. Most likely the candidate for the Republicans would be who McGreevey ran against; Brett Schundler, who people are already familiar with.

gldstwmn · #54 08-14-2004, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

I'm asserting that when someone resigns from public office that proper protocal should be followed. Was proper protocal followed in Nixon's case? Was someone else not appointed to office as designed by the law? That's right, it was. The Vice President took office as the law states. Here, the Lt. Gov (who would be a Democrat and much like the state version of a Vice Pres. I suppose you could say) would take office. However, since the state of NJ doesn't currently have one, we have to vote to find a replacement for our current Governor. That's national politics....this is the protocal for NJ State politics. I don't know how they differ from state to state but I do know this is what happens in NJ when you have no Lt. Gov...it simply is what it is. The protocal is to hold a new election establishing a new Governor. Most likely the candidate for the Republicans would be who McGreevey ran against; Brett Schundler, who people are already familiar with.

If McGreevy was to resign effective immediatley this would be correct. However by resigning in November, no special election is required.
When a President resigns, it goes to Vice President and then the President pro tempore of the Senate and then the Speaker Of the House. Since there is not a LG in your state, the power is being transferred to the next person in line, Senate President Richard Codey, the same way it is set forth in the 25th amendment. I don't understand why there would be a problem with someone stepping in for a one year period. Plus IMO, it is in the best interest of the state for a reasonable amount of time to plan for transition.

GardenStateGirlie · #55 08-14-2004, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

If McGreevy was to resign effective immediatley this would be correct. However by resigning in November, no special election is required.
When a President resigns, it goes to Vice President and then the President pro tempore of the Senate and then the Speaker Of the House. Since there is not a LG in your state, the power is being transferred to the next person in line, Senate President Richard Codey, the same way it is set forth in the 25th amendment. I don't understand why there would be a problem with someone stepping in for a one year period. Plus IMO, it is in the best interest of the state for a reasonable amount of time to plan for transition.

Tis' what I said

And he still has not announced it as such but thousands of people have called their local reps. demanding they get him out of there or they will not support said elected rep. in the next election. Democratic voters and Republican voters in this state are pissed off. I say he ends up stepping down shortly. I am aware, as I have said in previous posts, that since he said in his resignation speech that he would not offically resign until November that no other election would be held. That's protocal. However, if you have a bunch of irrate citizens, you're party is going to ask you to resign effective immediately which is what I think we'll see. Da da.

gldstwmn · #56 08-14-2004, 12:41 PM

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Tis' what I said

And he still has not announced it as such but thousands of people have called their local reps. demanding they get him out of there or they will not support said elected rep. in the next election. Democratic voters and Republican voters in this state are pissed off. I say he ends up stepping down shortly. I am aware, as I have said in previous posts, that since he said in his resignation speech that he would not offically resign until November that no other election would be held. That's protocal. However, if you have a bunch of irrate citizens, you're party is going to ask you to resign effective immediately which is what I think we'll see. Da da.

The Democrat House and Senate do not meet again until September 2. So by default nothing will be done and then it will be to late because they are within the 60 day deadline.

Remember, he is resigning because a jilted lover is suing him for forcing him to have sex, which if you think about it is hard to believe. The governor has not been charged with any gross incompetence with respect to his job.

GardenStateGirlie · #57 08-14-2004, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn

The Democrat House and Senate do not meet again until September 2. So by default nothing will be done and then it will be to late because they are within the 60 day deadline.

Remember, he is resigning because a jilted lover is suing him for focing him to have sex, which if you think about it is hard to believe. The governor has not been charged with any gross incompetence with respect to his job.

Remember...the full story has not come out yet...this stems much deeper than rape charges. This is "poor poor pitiful me"--a way for him to get out before he gets in too deep. Trust me.

Tango · #58 08-14-2004, 04:08 PM

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Actually, in this case, there is a difference, but the state election could have huge effects on the national election.

I agree, and yet I don't believe it is "wrong" to allow the people to vote, no matter where the chips fall. I swear, it's like Florida. Let the people VOTE!

GardenStateGirlie · #59 08-14-2004, 04:24 PM

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I agree, and yet I don't believe it is "wrong" to allow the people to vote, no matter where the chips fall. I swear, it's like Florida. Let the people VOTE!

Thank you. Yet some people have a party bias and can't understand that it has nothing to do with the party and has nothing to do with the grand scheme of national politics...it has to do with the person. This isn't a DNC thing...this is a Jim McGreevey/State of NJ thing.

Tango · #60 08-14-2004, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie

Thank you. Yet some people have a party bias and can't understand that it has nothing to do with the party and has nothing to do with the grand scheme of national politics...it has to do with the person. This isn't a DNC thing...this is a Jim McGreevey/State of NJ thing.

No problem. You know, the more "enlightened" we all are, the blinder we are to our own selves sometimes.