Perception

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally Posted by Josh2003

Any experts here on Virginia Woolf's "To the Lighthouse"?

We studied this last semester in my Modern British and American Fiction class...all about the theory that perception affects reality...I don't know...I didn't understand it...lol

Sorry Josh, I'm afraid that's all over my head, but it sure sounds nice.

[Jessica Leigh]

Originally Posted by Merf

I was right up there. It was a bit chilly. Lindsey was making an effort, blowing kisses at her, etc. But she seemed a bit pissed off at him, nothing major. During band intros, He blew kisses at her and she just looked at him. He said something to her and just rolled his eyes. Things were a bit frosty. The only time things were "sweet" were during "Landslide" when she went to kiss his hand and smooched right above his skin. (This makes me think that she is coming down with something) When they got really close during "Sara" and "SYW" either she or he covered their mouths and the other smiled. (I guess so she wouldn't get him sick). At the very end, they stood on the side of the stage together and Stevie put her arms around herself (with her shawl) and he stood behind her, put his hands on tops of her arms, leaned in and kissed the back of her head. I give Lindsey major points for trying to smooth over whatever fight is going on right now (if there is one).

i don't mean to sound like a b*tch at all... but, are you for real? is your middle name "assume" or something? how on earth can you possibly try to draw these conclusions about two people who might not even be fighting.. or might not be sick... or whatever...

this is how rumors get started... this is how big feuds get started... like the silver springs thread a couple days ago... suddenly someone on another board is going to post "merf posted on the ledge that stevie was sick and she and lindsey were avoiding each other and not having any contact so that he wouldn't get sick too" and then they'll say something like "well i'm not sure how she knows but i know she talked to Taku, so maybe he told her..." then suddenly the story is "Taku told merf that stevie is really sick" in which case suddenly the rumor is FACT to everyone because it supposedly came from a reliable source close to the band (Taku) and then at the next show stevie gets a deluge of get well cards and people offering to donate a kidney to her...

be careful what you say guys... these little assumptions are what cause our huge arguments... and divide the fans... we all love the same band... lets all just get along, ok?

[Kelly]

I think part of the speculation is resulting from what happened during TISL and how sick Stevie got during that tour, resulting in cancelled shows, etc. I am seeing a show next week and just hope she is healthy for it. It does worry me to hear that Cory reported that Stevie was too "sick" to do SS. I would not call that a wild assumption, I consider her to be a pretty reliable source of what is or is not going on with Stevie.

If Stevie is sick, I am sure she would be concerned about spreading her germs to other band and crew members. I remember reading something she said once about how when "one of them are sick, they all get sick". Whatever is going on, I do hope that Stevie is taking care of herself. I was very impressed that during the entire first part of this tour, NO shows were cancelled due to band illness. That is pretty amazing!

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by estranged4life

see ya at the Dallas show...I am planning on buying my ticket tomorrow. Should be an emotional week for Debbie & myself too, Her final chemo treatment is on the 18th and we will be celebrating! (Not to mention a new Mac live album/DVD and a frikkin' vacation that is long overdue.)

Glad yer coming down here, Brian! Hope you get a good ticket. YAY for Debbie!!!!!

*sings* "Celebrate good times, COME ON!"

[CarneVaca]

Originally Posted by Merf

I was right up there. It was a bit chilly. Lindsey was making an effort, blowing kisses at her, etc. But she seemed a bit pissed off at him, nothing major. During band intros, He blew kisses at her and she just looked at him. He said something to her and just rolled his eyes.

Maybe he looked at someone in the audience, went over to Stevie and said, "Can you believe that shmuck?" and punctuated it by rolling his eyes. Anything is possible.

[Merf]

Originally Posted by Jessica Leigh

i don't mean to sound like a b*tch at all... but, are you for real? is your middle name "assume" or something? how on earth can you possibly try to draw these conclusions about two people who might not even be fighting.. or might not be sick... or whatever...

this is how rumors get started... this is how big feuds get started... like the silver springs thread a couple days ago... suddenly someone on another board is going to post "merf posted on the ledge that stevie was sick and she and lindsey were avoiding each other and not having any contact so that he wouldn't get sick too" and then they'll say something like "well i'm not sure how she knows but i know she talked to Taku, so maybe he told her..." then suddenly the story is "Taku told merf that stevie is really sick" in which case suddenly the rumor is FACT to everyone because it supposedly came from a reliable source close to the band (Taku) and then at the next show stevie gets a deluge of get well cards and people offering to donate a kidney to her...

be careful what you say guys... these little assumptions are what cause our huge arguments... and divide the fans... we all love the same band... lets all just get along, ok?

You know what? I don't even know why I'm bothering here anymore... I mean, I got right back from my concert to post a little bit of what I thought happened. MY PERCEPTION of what happened. Johnny Stew SPECIFICALLY asked how the Stevie/Lindsey vibe was because of what the roadies told some fans on the backstage tour last night. I was front row, five feet from both of them, so I offered some things I noticed. And now you're jumping down my throat? I am not the one "dividing" the fans. Think about what you just said to me and how that possibly made me feel! This is the second time in a week that I've had people ganging up on me here for offering my honest reflections of what I believe happened at a concert! You don't have to believe it. But for you to say that I'm just "assuming" something happened and it's my "assumptions" that are DIVIDING THE FANS? Give me a break! All of you!

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by Merf

You know what? I don't even know why I'm bothering here anymore... I mean, I got right back from my concert to post a little bit of what I thought happened. MY PERCEPTION of what happened. Not fact! And now you're jumping down my throat? I am not the one "dividing" the fans. Think about what you just said to me and how that possibly made me feel! This is the second time in a week that I've had people ganging up on me here for offering my honest reflections of what I believe happened at a concert! You don't have to believe it. But for you to say that I'm just "assuming" something happened and it's my "assumptions" that are DIVIDING THE FANS? Give me a break! All of you!

Don't bother. It's not worth the time it takes to type.

[Dulcimer]

Originally Posted by CarneVaca

Maybe he looked at someone in the audience, went over to Stevie and said, "Can you believe that shmuck?" and punctuated it by rolling his eyes. Anything is possible.

He he. That's what I was thinking too. I'm sure they see a lot of weird crap up there, fans making fools of themselves and so forth, so they must get a good laugh at that once in a while. He probably was rolling his eyes about someone in the crowd.

Why do some people assume that whatever interaction between Stevie and Lindsey is taking place on stage has to relate to their supposed relationship? Seems weird to me.

[flyfirefly]

I'm sure Stevie pays someone good money to make sure she doesn't look sick, regardless of whether she is or not.

It's difficult for any of us to really know and/or understand why Stevie isn't performing a certain song and if the word is that she's sick or that it's too taxing on her voice, then that's really what we have to take as the truth. Destiny Rules is a new song, it's a little fast, she may not be able to just do it like 'Rhiannon' or 'Gold Dust Woman' which she's being performing fairly consistently for 20-odd years.

Maybe people are paranoid about rumoured 'feuds' because of what Stevie said in the Destiny Rules documentary. Is this going to be the big one where she and Lindsey completely explode and walk away forever? I don't really see it happening, but none of us really (really) know their past or, for that matter, their present. It's touchy, that's all that can be said.

I don't think we need to jump all over anyone though--when you're up front you tend to be privy to things even people in the 3rd and 4th rows don't see, and since it's just a review, what are you supposed to say? EDIT: I semi-agree with the last post. It does seem like a lot of things boil down to are-they-in-a-relationship or aren't they as opposed to inside jokes and the like.

Relax

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by Merf

You know what? I don't even know why I'm bothering here anymore... I mean, I got right back from my concert to post a little bit of what I thought happened. MY PERCEPTION of what happened. Johnny Stew SPECIFICALLY asked how the Stevie/Lindsey vibe was because of what the roadies told some fans on the backstage tour last night. I was front row, five feet from both of them, so I offered some things I noticed.

Merf... I'm really sorry that my question lead to you getting grief about your response. I was curious to know what the onstage vibe was like, and I appreciated hearing your opinion.
For what it's worth, I didn't think your answer had the potential to be divisive... you made it clear (at least to me) that you were only describing the events as you saw them. Same with Louie's response to the same question.

Everyone seems a little edgier than usual lately... maybe the heat's getting to us all.

[AliP]

Originally Posted by Merf

You know what? I don't even know why I'm bothering here anymore... I mean, I got right back from my concert to post a little bit of what I thought happened. MY PERCEPTION of what happened. Johnny Stew SPECIFICALLY asked how the Stevie/Lindsey vibe was because of what the roadies told some fans on the backstage tour last night.

I, for one, enjoyed your review. You are right this thread was about perception. If you are not allowed to post your opinions or your perception about what you saw, then what's the point? Basically that's what all reviews are anyway. Doesn't make sense to me So, don't worry about it, Merf, and please don't feel like you can't post about what you saw!

[Livia]

*walking into this thread on eggshells*

I have a few points to make:

1. I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV - heh -Just because someone is ill, doesn't mean they are contagious. If Stevie had allergies or whatever, which then developed into bronchitis, she's not contagious. And after seeing 12 shows, I've witnessed Lindsey put his hand over his mouth a LOT, particularly when Stevie's doing the "snooooooow covered hills" part of Landslide. It's like a nervous habit with him, and totally predictable.

2. I work in a law firm - if you're going to claim you know the motive behind someone's non-verbal actions, you'd better have some proof. The National Enquirer also says bs like "according to a source..." Whatever. I'm not calling anyone here a liar, I'm just saying that sometimes, things are presented on the boards as FACTS, when they are merely speculation.

3. Taku had to register on Nancy's site, solely to defend his marriage over what a fan "thought" they heard him say...and spun it out of control for cryin' out loud! Please remember that the members of FM and their families are REAL people, not soap opera characters. After some of the sh*t I've read lately, if I were Taku, or Kristen, or Lindsey, I'd be seeking the advice of an attorney to see if I had enough evidence to sue for libel and slander. To reiterate Jessica's point:

be careful what you say guys... these little assumptions are what cause our huge arguments... and divide the fans... we all love the same band... lets all just get along, ok?

Peace out.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by CarneVaca

Maybe he looked at someone in the audience, went over to Stevie and said, "Can you believe that shmuck?" and punctuated it by rolling his eyes. Anything is possible.

Exactamundo!

[wondergirl9847]

Originally Posted by Livia

Taku had to register on Nancy's site, solely to defend his marriage over what a fan "thought" they heard him say...and spun it out of control for cryin' out loud!

Good gravy!!

[GardenStateGirlie]

Originally Posted by Livia

*walking into this thread on eggshells*

I have a few points to make:

1. I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV - heh -Just because someone is ill, doesn't mean they are contagious. If Stevie had allergies or whatever, which then developed into bronchitis, she's not contagious. And after seeing 12 shows, I've witnessed Lindsey put his hand over his mouth a LOT, particularly when Stevie's doing the "snooooooow covered hills" part of Landslide. It's like a nervous habit with him, and totally predictable.

2. I work in a law firm - if you're going to claim you know the motive behind someone's non-verbal actions, you'd better have some proof. The National Enquirer also says bs like "according to a source..." Whatever. I'm not calling anyone here a liar, I'm just saying that sometimes, things are presented on the boards as FACTS, when they are merely speculation.

3. Taku had to register on Nancy's site, solely to defend his marriage over what a fan "thought" they heard him say...and spun it out of control for cryin' out loud! Please remember that the members of FM and their families are REAL people, not soap opera characters. After some of the sh*t I've read lately, if I were Taku, or Kristen, or Lindsey, I'd be seeking the advice of an attorney to see if I had enough evidence to sue for libel and slander. To reiterate Jessica's point: Peace out.

Welcome to Hollywood where the world is your microscope. This isn't STAR magazine. It's the internet. People talk. That's life. And it's even more a fact of life when you are propelled into the public eye either in being famous, being a friend of a celebrity or by being married to someone who is. I'm not saying it's right, wrong, or indifferent. It is what it is.

As far as Taku registering on Nancy's site, who's to say that he registered solely to defend his marriage? Do you know that as a fact because I don't. If you're going to claim you know the motive behind someone's actions, you'd better have some proof. And for the record, AS A FACT, I spoke with him when he walked out into the audience before the concert in Atlanta and said to him as I stood with Nancy, "I really hope you know that not everyone on that board is absolutely out of their mind."

I'm only responding to this to say the following to all of you that hate all of us who speculate: not everyone that posts on Buckingham Nicks is crazy. There are a few people who say things totally off base (a la the whole Stevie is Leelee's mother) and they're SO off base that it's what you remember about this group of people. Trust in me when I say we're all too well aware that these are real people with real feelings. The people who actually aren't crazy but do speculate tread lightly. I know they read these boards. I'm not stupid.

Livia, this was not meant in any way as a shot at you. I just want everyone to understand what i'm trying to say because it seems that no one ever listens.