Frankie Valli

[Macfan4life]

What do you think? Part of me says this is elder abuse. He's clearly not singing and does not even blink. He is almost like a mannequin. Sort of sad. There is a little bit of me that likes he goes on for his fans. But I think its time to hang it up. He can't even keep up with the lip sync. Is someone forcing him to do this? How does someone not blink?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QPC...&start_radio=1

[SteveMacD]

Is it that different from this (which I’m told is genius)?

https://youtu.be/lruKJb16sDA

[Nathan]

Wow, that's kind of eery. Thanks for posting. We almost went to this show, about two nights ago.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

What do you think? Part of me says this is elder abuse. He's clearly not singing and does not even blink. He is almost like a mannequin. Sort of sad. There is a little bit of me that likes he goes on for his fans. But I think its time to hang it up. He can't even keep up with the lip sync. Is someone forcing him to do this? How does someone not blink?

I agree 100%. I had seen other videos I had already thought that he should have retired there by now. But this video is so sad. That's the kind of shows I wouldn't pay for, I don't think I'd even go for free. However some comments I read, they say he still rocks. What? Am I watching the same video? Fans are fans anyway, I know, but this was too much.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Is it that different from this (which I’m told is genius)?

https://youtu.be/lruKJb16sDA

Oh come on Steve........I saw Lindsey blink several times

[Villavic]

I think the point goes beyond the to blink or not to blink. Lindsey is really singing and performing there. He has enough energy. I don’t like his voice, and that’s the reason I decided 2014 was the last time I went to a Mac concert, their voices were no longer the same.

But in the Frankie video, sorry for the sarcasm but an animatronic would have done it better. That show was in Chautauqua, NY. I guess he doesn’t live there, I googled and it says he lives in Encino, CA. So he probably stayed at a hotel. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's very likely that he'll need help taking a shower in a bathroom that isn't his own. And I can't imagine him walking long distances inside airports. So my first impression coincides with elder abuse. Lindsey (nor any Mac member that I’ve seen recently in media) doesn't need a wheelchair or assistance bathing.

However, if he was sincere in this video, nobody is forcing him:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1076158107200132

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

I think the point goes beyond the to blink or not to blink. Lindsey is really singing and performing there. He has enough energy. I don’t like his voice, and that’s the reason I decided 2014 was the last time I went to a Mac concert, their voices were no longer the same.

But in the Frankie video, sorry for the sarcasm but an animatronic would have done it better. That show was in Chautauqua, NY. I guess he doesn’t live there, I googled and it says he lives in Encino, CA. So he probably stayed at a hotel. Maybe I'm wrong, but it's very likely that he'll need help taking a shower in a bathroom that isn't his own. And I can't imagine him walking long distances inside airports. So my first impression coincides with elder abuse. Lindsey (nor any Mac member that I’ve seen recently in media) doesn't need a wheelchair or assistance bathing.

However, if he was sincere in this video, nobody is forcing him:
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1076158107200132

I think he just turned 91. He has been touring every year of his adult life so I find some truth to him saying he loves it. But when you don't move your mouth and pre-recorded tracks of your youth are played it may be time to hang it up. But his fans love him and he is giving them what they want. If Stevie Nicks was doing this at 91 and in the same state people would still come to see her.
To be moving and standing at all at age 91 is a miracle by itself let alone being on stage. These shows make good money. He's always at casinos and small theaters across the United States.

[Villavic]

In this case, for being 81, she looks great and sounds very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GqFEyqSjDM

[David]

Originally Posted by Villavic

In this case, for being 81, she looks great and sounds very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GqFEyqSjDM

I don’t think Diana is singing there. She has an older, rougher speaking voice, but the voice singing “Baby Love” is the sweetly silky voice of a young Diana Ross.

These big concerts with the stars of yesteryear are really just a lot of expensive claptrap and virtual reality. The only time you can hear the singer singing in the moment is to see a young rock band or an opera. Everything else is so after the glitter fades. There’s more corruption at the heart of the music industry than probably ever before. Technology has only brought us trompe-l'œil and sleight-of-hand.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by David

I don’t think Diana is singing there. She has an older, rougher speaking voice, but the voice singing “Baby Love” is the sweetly silky voice of a young Diana Ross.

These big concerts with the stars of yesteryear are really just a lot of expensive claptrap and virtual reality. The only time you can hear the singer singing in the moment is to see a young rock band or an opera. Everything else is so after the glitter fades. There’s more corruption at the heart of the music industry than probably ever before. Technology has only brought us trompe-l'œil and sleight-of-hand.

I agree. I don't think she is singing in these clips. The voice is the original track.
However I was watching a clip from a Diana show that was about a year ago and she stopped the concert mid song to curse out some security guard. And it impressed me that she was really singing and still sounded really good. Women's singing voices go before men. Since this was a medley it was probably all pre-recorded for this event. But she can still sing. No need to use the original track voices here.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by Villavic

In this case, for being 81, she looks great and sounds very good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GqFEyqSjDM

She clearly is lip syncing the Supreme's medley.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0hLLKLToRQ

But she sings all the rest of the songs because she has microphone problems and stops singing and other times talks during the song. I am guessing she is such a perfectionist some of the Supremes stuff requires a different vocal range?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjatGrbufLk

[Villavic]

Was she lyp syncing on New Year's Eve? In most moments I think she was (like the I'm Coming Out intro), but sometimes it sounds like it was her live voice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK5Y-aYtVjk