Mick Fleetwood wants the LB/SN rift to heal

[UnwindedDreams]

I am shocked this comment by Mick made Stevie’s cover story MOJO feature and that Mick chose to say this in her feature. I wonder if he’ll go backstage to see her when he’s at her concert in London tomorrow.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

I don't think he was talking about the Rumours5 band going out on tour for one final swan song..... he says after the tour with Mike and Neil, that band would do one official 'farewell' tour. No way he could think they could tour without Lindsey and then all come back together.

I agree. That is what I meant. The Mike/Neil version was going to do the swan song. No way Lindsey was going to be there. That 2018 tour made some good coin. Mick and especially Stevie would not change things up. It would have been ridiculous to fire Lindsey before the 2018 tour and then let go Neil and Mike and bring back Lindsey 2 years later for a final tour. Could you imagine kicking out Neil and Mike for a tour with Lindsey just one year after their other tour concluded. Talk about treating their guitarists like disposable garbage. But maybe I am giving Mick too much credit and would have done it in a heartbeat if the boss approved.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

It would have been ridiculous to fire Lindsey before the 2018 tour and then let go Neil and Mike and bring back Lindsey 2 years later for a final tour. Could you imagine kicking out Neil and Mike for a tour with Lindsey just one year after their other tour concluded. Talk about treating their guitarists like disposable garbage. But maybe I am giving Mick too much credit and would have done it in a heartbeat if the boss approved.

LOL I couldn't tell if this was sarcasm or not.

Really, they've already treated Neil and Mike like disposable garbage. Mick isn't making his case in the press for another tour with Mike and Neil, he's greasing the wheels for Lindsey (and Stevie)
And Stevie won't even make new music with the Neil & Mike lineup. They were good enough to cover the parts and thats about it.

[Villavic]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Really, they've already treated Neil and Mike like disposable garbage.

Well depending on how much Neil and Mike earned on that tour, and I presume it was a large amount, I'd say they may have been disposable but not garbage.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

LOL I couldn't tell if this was sarcasm or not.

Really, they've already treated Neil and Mike like disposable garbage. Mick isn't making his case in the press for another tour with Mike and Neil, he's greasing the wheels for Lindsey (and Stevie)
And Stevie won't even make new music with the Neil & Mike lineup. They were good enough to cover the parts and thats about it.

Have you ever heard of Rick Vito and Billy Brunette?

Mick is scum.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Have you ever heard of Rick Vito and Billy Brunette?

Mick is scum.

Rick who?

[BigAl84]

What I find sketchy is I get a sense that they approached Mike and Neil with grand illusions. We're a new band, we want to start a new chapter, make new music. When in reality, the only thing thats even remotely worked out in stone is a tour and nothing else.

Had Mick been upfront and said "Hey we need to replace Lindsey for this tour, I can't speak for anything else in the future, will you do it?" I'm not so sure either of them would have taken the deal. Yeah, Mike has said many times he was looking for something to do, but a one-off tour with a weird reconfiguration of Fleetwood Mac? I don't know, I'm not convinced. Mick can express all the dreams he had envisioned, but had that tour been such a success, you would think they would have had another leg for spring of 2020 on the books (which Covid would have cancelled) But that tour ended in November rather quietly. They made up for some of the losses they hit early on in the tour, licked their wounds and called it a day.

At least Rick and Billy did get to record an album and tour.

[BLY]

[QUOTE=BigAl84;1295391]What I find sketchy is I get a sense that they approached Mike and Neil with grand illusions. We're a new band, we want to start a new chapter, make new music. When in reality, the only thing thats even remotely worked out in stone is a tour and nothing else.

I disagree I’m sure dates were set and Lindsey was out. Crowded House was on break.Neil wasn’t going to leave his band for Fleetwood Mac. It was definitely a one off and Neil and Mike knew it.The PR surrounding Lindsey leaving and the “ New line up “ had to sound like it wasn’t just for the upcoming tour.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Rick who?

Rick Yo Mama!!!

Rick's a great guitarist, and a really nice guy. Totally approachable, and down to Earth.

[Macfan4life]

Originally Posted by BigAl84

What I find sketchy is I get a sense that they approached Mike and Neil with grand illusions. We're a new band, we want to start a new chapter, make new music. When in reality, the only thing thats even remotely worked out in stone is a tour and nothing else.

Had Mick been upfront and said "Hey we need to replace Lindsey for this tour, I can't speak for anything else in the future, will you do it?" I'm not so sure either of them would have taken the deal. Yeah, Mike has said many times he was looking for something to do, but a one-off tour with a weird reconfiguration of Fleetwood Mac? I don't know, I'm not convinced. Mick can express all the dreams he had envisioned, but had that tour been such a success, you would think they would have had another leg for spring of 2020 on the books (which Covid would have cancelled) But that tour ended in November rather quietly. They made up for some of the losses they hit early on in the tour, licked their wounds and called it a day.

At least Rick and Billy did get to record an album and tour.

YES!
The tour was not some artistic creation or to promote anything. It was a contractual obligation where all parties signed and agreed to tour. The band forced Lindsey out and hired replacements. At their age it was likely the last tour of the band. Mick talked a good game how Neil and Mike were permanent members and they were going to record music. All bologna!
The difference was besides Bob Weston all Mac members left on their own accord. At least you could say there was justification for firing Bob. But to this day we still don't have a clear answer why Lindsey was fired. Its as crazy as when Michael Anthony was fired from Van Halen. He did nothing wrong but the boss was not happy.
They replaced Lindsey so they could go out on a cash cow tour that Lindsey already agreed to. It was pure greed plain and simple.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

YES!
The tour was not some artistic creation or to promote anything. It was a contractual obligation where all parties signed and agreed to tour. The band forced Lindsey out and hired replacements. At their age it was likely the last tour of the band. Mick talked a good game how Neil and Mike were permanent members and they were going to record music. All bologna!
The difference was besides Bob Weston all Mac members left on their own accord. At least you could say there was justification for firing Bob. But to this day we still don't have a clear answer why Lindsey was fired. Its as crazy as when Michael Anthony was fired from Van Halen. He did nothing wrong but the boss was not happy.
They replaced Lindsey so they could go out on a cash cow tour that Lindsey already agreed to. It was pure greed plain and simple.

Irving thought he could do with Fleetwood Mac what he did with The Eagles after Glen passed. Yes, covid definitely put a damper on what could have been - but like I said, I think they quietly admitted that the experiment failed given Irving wasn't hitting the ground running with another leg.

The Eagles also appear to be on the same page, more often than not. They don't have the tug of war with a solo career like Stevie. Joe Walsh isn't dictating when an Eagles tour can happen. Another miscalculation Irving had when it came to running Fleetwood Mac into the financial abyss.

[BigAl84]

When I mention losses, this is what I'm talking about.

Wembley Stadum capacity:
75,000 to 90,000 seated and 25,000 standing (concerts)

Fleetwood Mac's 2019 Show:
June 16-18, 2019: Wembley Stadium, London (108,469 – $17,155,177) (2 shows)

They only sold 108,469 tickets across two nights.

The KYC YUM Center (Louisville, KY) Capacity:
Up to 23,000 for concerts.

Fleetwood Mac's 2018 Show:
(11,087 – $1,412,766)

11,087 tickets sold.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

But maybe I am giving Mick too much credit and would have done it in a heartbeat if the boss approved.

After Peter died, he said that he wanted Lindsey back, but wasn’t willing to cut Neil and Mike, and wasn’t sure how that would work.

Originally Posted by BigAl84

Really, they've already treated Neil and Mike like disposable garbage. Mick isn't making his case in the press for another tour with Mike and Neil, he's greasing the wheels for Lindsey (and Stevie)
And Stevie won't even make new music with the Neil & Mike lineup. They were good enough to cover the parts and thats about it.

Mick recently sat in with Crowded House, so I don’t know about that. What’s weird to me is Mick, Stevie, Neil, and Mike have all brought up Lindsey. Mike said that he didn’t see how Fleetwood Mac could get back without Christine and Lindsey not there. That said, Mike didn’t say he was done with them, either.

Also, Stevie won’t make new music, period. It’s only been since 2010 that she’s written an album of new material.

I don’t blame anyone but Stevie for the lack of new Fleetwood Mac music. I genuinely think Mick thought/hoped the new lineup would record. Christine was back, Lindsey was out, and Stevie’s primary songwriting collaborator was in. Neil would have given the band an art rock edge. However, Stevie’s creative well dried up a long time ago.

Originally Posted by BLY

I disagree I’m sure dates were set and Lindsey was out. Crowded House was on break.Neil wasn’t going to leave his band for Fleetwood Mac. It was definitely a one off and Neil and Mike knew it.The PR surrounding Lindsey leaving and the “ New line up “ had to sound like it wasn’t just for the upcoming tour.

Prior to 2018, the last Crowded House album was in 2010 and the last handful of shows were in 2016. There wasn’t a band to leave. Neil put together a new version of Crowded House, with only Nick Seymour returning from the previous outing, to record the songs he’d written for Fleetwood Mac after it was clear Fleetwood Mac wasn’t making new music.

Originally Posted by Macfan4life

The difference was besides Bob Weston all Mac members left on their own accord.

Danny Kirwan, Dave Walker, Billy Burnette, Bekka Bramlett, and Dave Mason would like a word.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Rick Yo Mama!!!

Rick's a great guitarist, and a really nice guy. Totally approachable, and down to Earth.

Musically, I think Rick and Billy were way better than Mike and Neil. By far.

Mike is an amazing guitar player, I just don't think the FM material was the best fit for his style of playing.

[BigAl84]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

After Peter died, he said that he wanted Lindsey back, but wasn’t willing to cut Neil and Mike, and wasn’t sure how that would work.


Mick recently sat in with Crowded House, so I don’t know about that.

Also, Stevie won’t make new music, period. It’s only been since 2010 that she’s written an album of new material.

I don’t blame anyone but Stevie for the lack of new Fleetwood Mac music. I genuinely think Mick thought/hoped the new lineup would record. Christine was back, Lindsey was out, and Stevie’s primary songwriting collaborator was in. Neil would have given the band an art rock edge. However, Stevie’s creative well dried up a long time ago.

Re: Mick's cameo with Crowded House, I think that's Mick trying to be a good guy and not make them feel like hired guns. Trying to keep some resemblance of a friendship despite the collapse of his grand plans for that lineup.

And I completely agree about Stevie. I'm kinda surprised that Mick didn't see that issue coming, even with Mike and Neil. It would have been really nice had she been willing to clear the air once and for all and just admit that she had no interest in making a Fleetwood Mac record with anyone. With or without Lindsey, with or without Christine.