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Old 02-29-2016, 11:58 AM
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What bothers me about this is that apparently there are a few songs already essentially finished. I don't understand why we fans aren't being given the chance to purchase that music.

I really don't care if Stevie throws in a few harmony vocals on the songs that are already recorded. The songs are finished, with or without her input. The lineup of this band has always been fluid, and FM can exist without Stevie, just as they did without Chris for all those years.
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Old 02-29-2016, 12:52 PM
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What bothers me about this is that apparently there are a few songs already essentially finished. I don't understand why we fans aren't being given the chance to purchase that music.

I really don't care if Stevie throws in a few harmony vocals on the songs that are already recorded. The songs are finished, with or without her input. The lineup of this band has always been fluid, and FM can exist without Stevie, just as they did without Chris for all those years.
Atlease they could played the new tunes live on this past tour and get the fans response.Its beyond me why they opted out doing so.It would be a great business move to test the new stuff and it probably put more excitement for them to finishing it if the fans enjoyed the new tunes.
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Old 02-29-2016, 01:55 PM
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No offense, but some of you sound a little spoiled and greedy. The band does not "owe" us anything. I'm sure they have sacrificed a lot over the last 40 plus years for the music and the fans.
That can happen when the band says they're gonna do something and don't. You'd think by now those of us who've followed the band for more than 15 or 20 years would've learned. I think "owe" isn't the proper word (I can't think of a better one at present) but it's been a long time since Say You Will, and with the return of Chris, perhaps "owing" the world a new record does factor into it a little bit. I think if you're a band, then you record and put out music. That's what bands do and should do. Touring is a factor for sure, but new music (for me) is and should be the primary motivator. Sadly for the Mac it doesn't seem to be, and that's okay. I wish they'd at least pretend like it was. And there's so many lost opportunities too. Why didn't they film Chris's return (like with The Dance) and give us a live concert to tide us over?
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Old 02-29-2016, 01:59 PM
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Atlease they could played the new tunes live on this past tour and get the fans response.Its beyond me why they opted out doing so.It would be a great business move to test the new stuff and it probably put more excitement for them to finishing it if the fans enjoyed the new tunes.
I think their plan is to have the tour to re-introduce Christine with the hits.. and the next tour will be to promote the new album.

That's my hunch. And they had 1.5 yrs. to talk Stevie into it.
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:24 PM
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We are all impatient. I get that. I cant think of a band that after touring the world for 1 1/2 years went immediately in the studio to record another album. And if they did, the music would suffer because their heads would not be in the game. Personally, I don't want an album for album's sake. I don't want an "extended" extended play. Please let them take 9 months off to relax, do what they want to do, and possibly write songs for the new album. I suspect and hope by the fall they will all be in the studio hard at work. I hate it when people accuse the tour as a "cash grab." Its a miracle that Chris came back. Remember when Mick and Stevie said there was a better chance of an asteroid hitting the earth than Chris coming back. That tour was amazing and the fans are so thankful. They gave it their all with touring the states twice before going to Europe and Australia and New Zealand.
They need their space. They need their rest. If they immediately went to the studio, the music would not be as good and the chances of a tour after the new record would be slim. I am betting there will be one more album and a farewell tour. This deserves time and creativity.
They've already recorded most of the album. Would just need to put Stevie on there and work on any songs she brings in.

They did get extended breaks during the tour they didn't tour for a year and a half straight.
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Old 02-29-2016, 03:32 PM
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I think their plan is to have the tour to re-introduce Christine with the hits.. and the next tour will be to promote the new album.

That's my hunch. And they had 1.5 yrs. to talk Stevie into it.
I agree that's what they're aiming for. It's the silence that concerns me, though. Nothing from any of the band members about new music in quite a while now. In fact, we really haven't heard a peep from them since the tour wrapped. This day and age, if they were recording somewhere together, it would leak out via Twitter or something. Nothing there, either. Christine is back in England, too- not a great sign.

However, there *might* be a glimmer of hope in the fact that we also haven't gotten any reports from Camp Stevie about a summer solo tour. I think if that were going to be the case, one of her backing musicians would post something on Facebook or something at the very least. So who knows, maybe they're neck deep in new album negotiations right now.

...but knowing them, probably not.
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Old 02-29-2016, 10:26 PM
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What's wrong with you people?? It's only been 29 years since the Rumours line up put out any material.
Exactly. Nothing "spoiled or greedy about it." Rather, we are diehard fans, many of us who kept listening in the lean TIME-era, and who championed the band's cause again and again, when even greatest hits tours seemed impossible. I don't think it's impatient or greedy or spoiled or unreasonable to wonder what the progress is on an album ROLLING STONE covered as in the works 1.5 years ago. Geesh.

And maybe I'm a broken record, but these people are getting up there. Acting at their own maddeningly half-assed pace is not a luxury anymore.

And for what it's worth, I'd have rather have had another Christine album, if I'd known getting all five on board for one project was such an uphill flipping battle.
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Old 03-01-2016, 05:53 AM
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They've already recorded most of the album. Would just need to put Stevie on there and work on any songs she brings in.

They did get extended breaks during the tour they didn't tour for a year and a half straight.
OMG Really. You mean those short breaks over holidays and a month off here or there they were secretly flying back to CA to record the album? They really have a great poker face since even at the meet and greets Mick said they were looking forward to going into the studio after the tour. Its really amazing the only thing holding up the album is Stevie's vocals.
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Old 03-01-2016, 08:50 AM
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OMG Really. You mean those short breaks over holidays and a month off here or there they were secretly flying back to CA to record the album? They really have a great poker face since even at the meet and greets Mick said they were looking forward to going into the studio after the tour. Its really amazing the only thing holding up the album is Stevie's vocals.
Christine went into the studio with Lindsey and Mick (April 2014). Christine and Lindsey co-wrote about 4 songs and recorded about 8 tunes together. Stevie hasn't contributed anything, as of yet. Both Christine and Lindsey said that the chemistry between them was even better than they expected and the music was wonderful. (I'm paraphrasing, but that's the basics)
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If thats the case with the music is all recorded.Stevie should fly through the tunes with minimum takes like she did with 24K as long Lindsey does not get in the way with songcrafting BS on how she records it.It should get done in a jiffy.
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Old 03-01-2016, 02:48 PM
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That's why some fans are a little dis-pleased with Stevie. Also, some want them to put out the album without Stevie.

Considering Stevie can't really sell her own albums, they figure it won't make much difference.

Other fans like me, want the final album to be with all 5. But, I'll take a quartet if all else fails.

I think at the very least, we'll get one more tour.
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Old 03-01-2016, 03:05 PM
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Some people need to chill a bit.
They've just done a mega tour and deserve a little bit of a break (but not too long). The spanner in the works that has stopped an album appearing before now is Stevie. Its her fault.
They have lots of songs part-finished and Mick said they'd be going into the studio in the Spring. Last we heard they still weren't sure Stevie would be on board. However, she doesn't seem to be doing anything...no evidence of a SN tour or album in the near future so my guess is she'll join them in May to add vocals to the songs already recorded and add a few of her own (which she's tucked away writing right at this very minute).
Mick with soon be with his band down under for a while.
Chris is back in the UK- probably tying up loose ends. I'm still not sure her house has sold yet. I think it had some sort of open viewing day recently.

My guess is they'll all reconvene soon to sort out an album that will be released later this year. Big shabang tour in 2017 to mark 50 yrs (plus 40 yrs since Rumours, 30 yrs since Tango, 20 yrs since the Dance).

The album will happen... have faith.
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Old 03-01-2016, 05:23 PM
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At no point has any band member stated that the songs were/are finished. The Lindsey tracks that were recorded with Mitchell Froom in 2012 may be close to completion, but would still require input from Christine and Stevie. The tracks Christine and Lindsey recorded in 2014, by their own admission, were not completed with both commenting that further work would be undertaken. Naturally, Stevie will be required to add harmony vocals to some or all of these songs plus record her own.
As of January 2016, Stevie has stated that she is on board to record a new Mac album so despite the fact that she has delayed proceedings by not previously committing to the project, her involvement is no longer in doubt. Much of the “blame” actually falls upon every member for deciding to tour from 2013 through to late 2015. That is the primary reason for the album not being progressed/completed.
I sincerely hope Stevie abandons any solo tour plans for this year and works on creating some strong material for the Mac album. If she were to dig into the vault, there are the likes of “Julia” (could be produced to become the sequel to “Sara”), “Forsaken Love”, “China Doll”, “Sanctuary” and many others that could be fashioned into classic Mac tracks. I also think she should consider recording “Fireflies” as a piano ballad (as per the demo snippet).
This final Mac album has the potential to be a worthy swansong if all concerned approach it with enthusiasm and consideration for one another. Even if they do resume recording soon, I would highly doubt a 2016 release – next year is my bet.
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Thinking psychologically here for a moment, I believe there is a great reason why Stevie seemingly isn't too thrilled with a new album, even though she IS participating in it. While I've never met her, her behaviour is striking to me.

I firmly believe (and Stevie has said it many times), that she owes everything to "her band", that they are responsible for her fame and "princess status". I might seemingly be going too deep into this, but I truly feel that deep in her subconscious, Stevie refuses to accept the fact that Fleetwood Mac one day will be over, and is putting up a fight because she doesn't feel ready to accept her own fate. Deep somewhere in the darkest places of her mind, she never wants it to end, despite all of the problems and fights and heartbreak, etc. If she acknowledges the fact that it's over, it's over because she gives it credence.

She will never accept a "farewell" package or anything of the sort. She has lost many people throughout the years, everything is changing, and most likely she feels unready to accept it. So don't give her a hard time, she (or anyone else for that matter!) owes us nothing.

I'm also not saying this to "defend" her, or anything like that, but from someone who has extensively studied the behavioural and emotional states for healing purposes, it's just my opinion.
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What bothers me about this is that apparently there are a few songs already essentially finished. I don't understand why we fans aren't being given the chance to purchase that music.
Why aren't we able to be given the chance to purchase that music???

Simply because it's not finished. Respecting the integrity of the artistic process, Fleetwood Mac is a stickler with production. Just because we are aware they have some songs in the can, it's senseless to think/demand they would release them piece-meal as they progress (Stevie-less or otherwise). They are still in the process of making a body of work, and it will be presented as such. We will all get the chance to purchase that music, when it's released on their own terms, not ours.

The notion that they might have previewed a new unreleased song on their previous tour is intriguing, but there is little precedent for such a thing. Because the group is an embarrassment of riches (three hit-making singer/songwriters), it leaves very little wiggle room in their set lists, and it's such a delicate balance. Their last tour was decidedly a strict study/rumination of their 1975-1987 era.

As an established band, known worldwide for forty-something years, they are not lacking exposure! And they fully understand their place as vintage dinosaurs in a youth-based market. Now it's less about market share and more about integrity, and leaving with one last artistic statement.
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