When is it "too late"?

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by louielouie2000

Maybe not- but it's important to remember her only #1 song as a solo artist was when Planets Of The Universe topped the Dance Charts. That was even this century!

Let's also not forget her more "modern" In Your Dreams debuted higher than 24k, sold more copies, and had singles that charted, too. In Your Dreams also probably earned her the best critical reviews of her career to boot. So to say that Stevie should stick to classic rock for the sake of "doing what she does best" is somewhat misguided.

Well this is easy to refute.

Metacritic
24k Gold = 73% positive ratings score
Trouble in Shangri La = 70% positive ratings score
In Your Dreams = 62%

So In Your Dreams has the lowest score of all three albums. And keep in mind, 24K Gold only has 14 reviews posted on the site by critics. They didn't even include a lot of her best ratings. However, it also received the least amount of hate from critics.

Also, it is sort of manipulative to mention Planets of the Universe. This was her first solo album after the Dance and basically Planets sounded like any other dance thumper. Whoopie. The record company promoted it, but it didn't a lot of good.

It's also manipulative to mention sales.As far as sales are concerned, Stevie promoted the hell out of In Your Dreams. The only thing that helped her sales seemed to be TV appearances. She did have real videos for a couple of singles and made appearances to radio stations to get those singles to barely chart on non-popular formats.

One reason In Your Dreams debuted higher than 24K because it did not generate excitement for the next album. Also, the record company probably learned a big lesson from In Your Dreams. Radio Stations aren't going to play new Stevie Nicks singles. Why promote them.

Oh and don't forget the In Your Dreams buzz - STEVIE'S FIRST ALBUM IN 10 YEARS.

[rubylounge]

I was just thinking the same thing the other day. It almost seems like a moot point to promote it since it's been a year.....................

[Jondalar]

P.S. I hate to speak negative about In Your Dreams. I like the album. I feel like she tried a good pop album and feel she did that.

However, I feel like 24K Gold is the real deal, the real music that made her a star. The place where she belongs.

If only 24K could of replaced Trouble in Shangri La or The Other Side of the Mirror. She had backing then by the industry. It would have done way better than those.

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by sorcerer999

At this point, it's more than likely (and would make more sense) that she'll record a "Songs From The Vault" Part 2 in the next year or two, and then tour to promote both "vault song" albums.

I made that suggestion too. It makes sense, as the 24 Karat album will be an afterthought once Fleetwood Mac gets off the road and finishes their album.

The initial media promotion leading up to the album's released did what it could, but that ship has sailed. A tour is not going to have any significant impact if she hits the road with yet another predictable set giving a nod to the album with just three or four "new" songs, and one getting dropped several shows into the tour.

But if she banged out another album like that and toured behind both album, I wish she would radically change the set list. She's been singing some of same songs for over forty years, both in the band and solo. She's driven them into the ground. Sure, they're great songs and performed well. But she has vast amount of songs worthy being performed live.

Give well-worn songs like Rhiannon, Landslide, Gold Dust Woman, Dreams and Stand Back a rest. Free the set list up to shine a light on her newer songs, and a few deep tracks that never made the stage like Wild Heart, Sable on Blonde, Highway Man, Kind of Woman, Long Way to Go, Violet and Blue, or Rock a Little. Turn the table upside down and open the show with Edge of Seventeen!

Market the tour as something like a "Songs from Vault and Beyond" tour -- to stress that is something special - a rare 24 karat golden opportunity to experience the other side of her mirror. If anyone has an issue with it, then simply don't go. The unconventional approach would spur a lot of press and draw in audiences.

Of course this "radical" concept will never happen. It was just a wish, it was just a wish. It will only exist in your dreams.

[tabruns]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Not true, all her promotion for In Your Dreams did help sales. She never sold a ton but it kept the album alive. This album is a better album. It's going to get better word of mouth. The more people who hear it, the better.

Besides, this is one of the best albums of her career. She has to promote it.

(I'm really disgusted with so called fans. I feel like some so called fans have tried to sabotage this album for different reasons - upset over the demos she chose, upset she is not on board yet doing a Fleetwood Mac album, upset because her popularity has usurped Fleetwood Macs on tv shows…)

When Nicks was doing the tour promoting the In Your Dreams movie, she said that up to that time In Your Dreams (the album) had sold about 300,000 copies worldwide. I wonder how much the movie tour added to those sales figures?

[tabruns]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Well this is easy to refute.

Metacritic
24k Gold = 73% positive ratings score
Trouble in Shangri La = 70% positive ratings score
In Your Dreams = 62%

But the Metacritic rating for IYD is hampered by two exceptionally bad (and IMO bizarre) reviews. TISL got really solid good reviews, with a few "meh" reviews. IYD got really great reviews and a few "absolutely rotten" reviews.

I think all 3 albums are quite good, among Nicks' best. As I've said before, her really only sub-par album is Street Angel.

[pauls90]

Well I think that Stevie's refusal to even mention the new FM album/material is an indication that she has something planned after this current tour.

IF that's the case, what I would like to see her do is maybe reissue the album with 3-4 new songs, and then go out on a short 10-15 show tour. It wouldn't do much for the album, but I feel like she's definitely itching to play some of these songs live and give the album a fraction of the attention she would have loved to have given it. She could also record one of the shows and put it out, whether on DVD/Demand, or even just on iTunes for fans! Then once those shows are done, she can get back to work with the band.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by pauls90

Well I think that Stevie's refusal to even mention the new FM album/material is an indication that she has something planned after this current tour.

IF that's the case, what I would like to see her do is maybe reissue the album with 3-4 new songs, and then go out on a short 10-15 show tour. It wouldn't do much for the album, but I feel like she's definitely itching to play some of these songs live and give the album a fraction of the attention she would have loved to have given it. She could also record one of the shows and put it out, whether on DVD/Demand, or even just on iTunes for fans! Then once those shows are done, she can get back to work with the band.

Not sure a reissue of an album only a year or two old would accomplish much.

Releasing a Vault volume two (whatever she may actually end up calling it) and then touring a "Songs from the Vault" tour (whatever she actually calls it) that includes songs from both Vault albums would be more productive in terms of going forward rather than backward.

I'll be curious to see if she does continue with the Vault theme or if she does another album of all new material next, and saves Vault 2 for the next "quickie" release when she's busy with FM.

[olive]

a reissue ...

to quote E about kelly osborne changing her hair color for the during her employment at fashion police " it would be too confusing to the fans "

[pauls90]

Originally Posted by olive

a reissue ...

to quote E about kelly osborne changing her hair color for the during her employment at fashion police " it would be too confusing to the fans "

Not really. Happens all the time in pop now.

[wheart]

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Not true, all her promotion for In Your Dreams did help sales. She never sold a ton but it kept the album alive. This album is a better album. It's going to get better word of mouth. The more people who hear it, the better.

Besides, this is one of the best albums of her career. She has to promote it.

(I'm really disgusted with so called fans. I feel like some so called fans have tried to sabotage this album for different reasons - upset over the demos she chose, upset she is not on board yet doing a Fleetwood Mac album, upset because her popularity has usurped Fleetwood Macs on tv shows…)

Well the one TV appearance she made for 24K did definitely bumped the album up on the charts. I think TV at this point is more effective in promoting an album than touring. She could still do TV appearances during breaks on the Mac tour or when they wrap up. I also think a few more well done videos could really help. Videos are still important but Lady was not that great nor were the ones from IYD. She needs a really great director with some fresh ideas (idea #1 - no long black dress). There are some fantastic songs on 24K that deserve some equally fantastic videos. Interest in Stevie has been very high in the past few years and the Mac tour has helped that. My point is she's not a has been and people are paying attention when she does something.

[wheart]

Originally Posted by PenguinHead

I made that suggestion too. It makes sense, as the 24 Karat album will be an afterthought once Fleetwood Mac gets off the road and finishes their album.

The initial media promotion leading up to the album's released did what it could, but that ship has sailed. A tour is not going to have any significant impact if she hits the road with yet another predictable set giving a nod to the album with just three or four "new" songs, and one getting dropped several shows into the tour.

But if she banged out another album like that and toured behind both album, I wish she would radically change the set list. She's been singing some of same songs for over forty years, both in the band and solo. She's driven them into the ground. Sure, they're great songs and performed well. But she has vast amount of songs worthy being performed live.

Give well-worn songs like Rhiannon, Landslide, Gold Dust Woman, Dreams and Stand Back a rest. Free the set list up to shine a light on her newer songs, and a few deep tracks that never made the stage like Wild Heart, Sable on Blonde, Highway Man, Kind of Woman, Long Way to Go, Violet and Blue, or Rock a Little. Turn the table upside down and open the show with Edge of Seventeen!

Market the tour as something like a "Songs from Vault and Beyond" tour -- to stress that is something special - a rare 24 karat golden opportunity to experience the other side of her mirror. If anyone has an issue with it, then simply don't go. The unconventional approach would spur a lot of press and draw in audiences.

Of course this "radical" concept will never happen. It was just a wish, it was just a wish. It will only exist in your dreams.

Stevie needs to hire you as her manager!!

[Hartbreakkid]

I do think she could use a whole new management team. One that can stand up for her. Mariah just fired everyone and started new. Times are different now. I love Liz, but, Madonna's album flopped. I'm really not impressed with her promoting Stevie on gay bashing shows lately

[WatchChain]

Originally Posted by jkmaletic

I'm concerned about the time frame that is setting up for how long FM is going to continue touring (not to mention record a new album). As we all know, because of Chris' return, Stevie hasn't had the time to do any live solo shows to promote 24k. She may not have any time for some time to come as well. So how long is too long to finally do some live shows after a "new" release? At some point isn't it kind of too late?
What's your guys' personal take on that?


Jamie

"24 Karat Gold" was dead on arrival---bottom line. The timing and the way it was promoted was a joke. I believe the record was only recorded as a requirement to COMPLETE and END Stevie's contract with Warner/Reprise. She owed them one more record and they gave her a deadline date. Yes, it's too late to tour or promote that solo record. Next..........

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by WatchChain

"24 Karat Gold" was dead on arrival---bottom line. The timing and the way it was promoted was a joke. I believe the record was only recorded as a requirement to COMPLETE and END Stevie's contract with Warner/Reprise. She owed them one more record and they gave her a deadline date. Yes, it's too late to tour or promote that solo record. Next..........

It's one of the best albums of her career, so can we please get another dead on arrival cd.