Stevie Nicks says relationship with ex Lindsey Buckingham remains tense

[elle]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

Or maybe the assumption that it's the 'we're getting along' is the PR 'lie' rather than the 'we're not getting along' isn't 100% correct...

that's exactly my point - either story may or may not be correct. it's all just huge buckets of melodrama (that i don't really get why we need to know or care about, as long as the music is good and moving forward).

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

Say what you want about, Stevie Nicks (and mgmt).. but the girl is a marketing genius. And I am dead serious about that. These people lap it up like a soap opera. She knows how to sell herself and she commits to her stories, her music and her marketing.. I seriously think the woman is smarter than all of them.

.... Now stay tuned for............ As The World Turnings.... and The Macs of Our Lives....

agree.

Originally Posted by nicole21290

It wasn't to announce anything. It wasn't to promote anything in particular, really, except HER. It's part of trying to build a certain legacy for herself, I believe.

thank you for that. exactly my conclusion when i looked through that article, but i thought that was just my bias.

[nicole21290]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

I appreciate you think that. And I'm glad you get me because at the end of the day we are all fans. (and for the record, I wasn't mocking you, Nicole)

But in my opinion, she's a fantastic marketer and their relationship is staged for the benefit of the soap opera. You can post a million pictures, (and I love your gifs and pics.) but they will never convince me that it's nothing but staged. They love writing about each other because they are good at it and the fans love it. I'm just a fan of the band and the music and I'm certainly in the minority. But I've been following this band long enough to realize they set up a lot of PR that works for them..

I agree that she's a fantastic marketer and that there are parts of the relationship staged or portrayed in a certain way to prolong the image of the soap opera for the public eye. A lot of the time it's dull to me as well, rehashing the same old thing. And well, they're not going to do PR that doesn't work for them, are they? We just disagree on the purpose of the PR and what is true behind it, I think.

Questions:
1. Crying onstage, obviously emotional choking up, one off 'I love you's, etc - staged and not real?
2. Nights when they don't or barely interact - staged and not real?
3. Embracing in the dark - staged and not real?
4. Songs they reveal YEARS later to be about the other - written about the other, or lied about years later?
5. Differences in length of hugs, type of hand clasp, etc - actually decided upon before every show or natural evolution from a lesser planned action?
6. Does 'planning' or 'staging' an interaction mean what it indicates (affection, enjoyment of each other, etc) is 'fake'?
7. Hanging out with each other away from press, or seeing the other at a solo concert, and playing down that element of the r'ship - how does that fit in?
8. Is the sentiment in songs about each other false and just for 'shippers' (if they bother to notice)? How does that fit when lyrics are straight from S's diaries or Lindsey explains their concrete origin, for example?
9. Doesn't their constant 'it doesn't go beyond the stage'/'it's not necessarily reality' talk completely NEGATE their purpose in giving other quotes and actions for shippers?

[bombaysaffires]

Stevie gets caught up in the *moment* onstage. She totally gets into the appearance of things-- she said the first time she sang her first song and watched herself in the mirror with tears running down her face she was hooked. So it is true I believe that for THAT moment she feels something onstage, but then just as quickly its gone. Watch her WWD tour video for a good example. She's onstage weeping and barely able to get the words out as she says goodnight to the audience. Not 30 secs later the camera is with her backstage and she's all smiling and joking with Waddy and her makeup girls. So while I don't doubt she was genuinely moved during for example the MGM show singing Say Goodbye, the moment passes. If she really ever had wanted to get involved with Lindsey again, she had YEARS to do it. He admits he was emotionally guarded, at arms length from most of his girlfriends because he was still all twisted up over Stevie. Yes they love each other, like you love your crazy ass relatives... But romance? Real romance? Long gone. Stevie just gets caught up in the tragic heroine stuff. And he's long moved on.

[teedeerocks]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Stevie gets caught up in the *moment* onstage. She totally gets into the appearance of things-- she said the first time she sang her first song and watched herself in the mirror with tears running down her face she was hooked. So it is true I believe that for THAT moment she feels something onstage, but then just as quickly its gone. Watch her WWD tour video for a good example. She's onstage weeping and barely able to get the words out as she says goodnight to the audience. Not 30 secs later the camera is with her backstage and she's all smiling and joking with Waddy and her makeup girls. So while I don't doubt she was genuinely moved during for example the MGM show singing Say Goodbye, the moment passes. If she really ever had wanted to get involved with Lindsey again, she had YEARS to do it. He admits he was emotionally guarded, at arms length from most of his girlfriends because he was still all twisted up over Stevie. Yes they love each other, like you love your crazy ass relatives... But romance? Real romance? Long gone. Stevie just gets caught up in the tragic heroine stuff. And he's long moved on.

I wish some interviewer would ask her about the MGM performance.I'm curious as to what she would say.

[Say You Will]

. Stevie just gets caught up in the tragic heroine stuff. And he's long moved on



Will she ever forgive him for getting married?

[WildHearted]

Okay, well, in my experience & recollection most RS cover features for artists are just that - features for the artist. You get a RS cover (in theory) because you're having or had some sort of cultural impact... And the RS story is tailored to that idea. Stevie's RS story from '81 was largely just random crap about her too. Of course, it was in light of Bella Donna... But that wasn't really the focus of the interview.

I guess I'm just surprised that people are surprised by this. Doing an interview for RS like Mick did a few years ago that isn't a huge story about you as a person or an entity isn't really the same thing. He obviously had an agenda for that.

So I wasn't expecting Stevie to talk about anything other than herself. And a large part of the interview was talking about FM, anyway. It was pretty good promo for them, really - much more than for Stevie's recent solo projects.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Stevie gets caught up in the *moment* onstage. She totally gets into the appearance of things-- she said the first time she sang her first song and watched herself in the mirror with tears running down her face she was hooked. So it is true I believe that for THAT moment she feels something onstage, but then just as quickly its gone. Watch her WWD tour video for a good example. She's onstage weeping and barely able to get the words out as she says goodnight to the audience. Not 30 secs later the camera is with her backstage and she's all smiling and joking with Waddy and her makeup girls. So while I don't doubt she was genuinely moved during for example the MGM show singing Say Goodbye, the moment passes. If she really ever had wanted to get involved with Lindsey again, she had YEARS to do it. He admits he was emotionally guarded, at arms length from most of his girlfriends because he was still all twisted up over Stevie. Yes they love each other, like you love your crazy ass relatives... But romance? Real romance? Long gone. Stevie just gets caught up in the tragic heroine stuff. And he's long moved on.

Perfectly stated.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by nicole21290

I agree that she's a fantastic marketer and that there are parts of the relationship staged or portrayed in a certain way to prolong the image of the soap opera for the public eye. A lot of the time it's dull to me as well, rehashing the same old thing. And well, they're not going to do PR that doesn't work for them, are they? We just disagree on the purpose of the PR and what is true behind it, I think.

Questions:
1. Crying onstage, obviously emotional choking up, one off 'I love you's, etc - staged and not real?
2. Nights when they don't or barely interact - staged and not real?
3. Embracing in the dark - staged and not real?
4. Songs they reveal YEARS later to be about the other - written about the other, or lied about years later?
5. Differences in length of hugs, type of hand clasp, etc - actually decided upon before every show or natural evolution from a lesser planned action?
6. Does 'planning' or 'staging' an interaction mean what it indicates (affection, enjoyment of each other, etc) is 'fake'?
7. Hanging out with each other away from press, or seeing the other at a solo concert, and playing down that element of the r'ship - how does that fit in?
8. Is the sentiment in songs about each other false and just for 'shippers' (if they bother to notice)? How does that fit when lyrics are straight from S's diaries or Lindsey explains their concrete origin, for example?
9. Doesn't their constant 'it doesn't go beyond the stage'/'it's not necessarily reality' talk completely NEGATE their purpose in giving other quotes and actions for shippers?

Questions:
1. Crying onstage, obviously emotional choking up, one off 'I love you's, etc - staged and not real? Real, but in character from the show and music and in the moment.
2. Nights when they don't or barely interact - staged and not real? Real, just as real as when he kicked her and played out of tune. They are human beings you know.
3. Embracing in the dark - staged and not real? Real, in character and caught up in the moment of the beautiful words they wrote about each other from the past romance they once shared. Christine and he embrace too, doesn't mean they're in love. I've seen him blow kisses at Mick.
4. Songs they reveal YEARS later to be about the other - written about the other, or lied about years later? Real, I don't doubt they write about each other. They are good at it, it was a past romance that was intense, and it sells and continues to sell very well.
5. Differences in length of hugs, type of hand clasp, etc - actually decided upon before every show or natural evolution from a lesser planned action?
I don't know if you ever been an actor or have done a show on stage, but these are emotions in character from the show. Caught up in the moment. You can hug anyone from your mom to the devil when caught up in the intensity of a production. It even happens in the audience. Now if I saw them making out back stage or at a hotel I would say, "Nicole!! what the hell???"
6. Does 'planning' or 'staging' an interaction mean what it indicates (affection, enjoyment of each other, etc) is 'fake'? Nope, means in character in that production.
7. Hanging out with each other away from press, or seeing the other at a solo concert, and playing down that element of the r'ship - how does that fit in? All the members have done this. They are musicians and entertainers. David Gilmour had Roger Waters come up on stage with him a few years back and they hate each other.
8. Is the sentiment in songs about each other false and just for 'shippers' (if they bother to notice)? How does that fit when lyrics are straight from S's diaries or Lindsey explains their concrete origin, for example? I believe the the sentiments in their music. Does it go beyond the characters and emtions from their past? I don't believe so.
9. Doesn't their constant 'it doesn't go beyond the stage'/'it's not necessarily reality' talk completely NEGATE their purpose in giving other quotes and actions for shippers? Not sure what you mean, but I believe he loves his wife and children and the true romance of their relationship is over and has been over for quite some time.

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

Okay, well, in my experience & recollection most RS cover features for artists are just that - features for the artist. You get a RS cover (in theory) because you're having or had some sort of cultural impact... And the RS story is tailored to that idea. Stevie's RS story from '81 was largely just random crap about her too. Of course, it was in light of Bella Donna... But that wasn't really the focus of the interview.

I guess I'm just surprised that people are surprised by this. Doing an interview for RS like Mick did a few years ago that isn't a huge story about you as a person or an entity isn't really the same thing. He obviously had an agenda for that.

So I wasn't expecting Stevie to talk about anything other than herself. And a large part of the interview was talking about FM, anyway. It was pretty good promo for them, really - much more than for Stevie's recent solo projects.

We can slice it any way we want. She is truly a rock legend that made herself relevant long after many people thought she would take a dive in importance. And I agree it can only help FM. I'm leaning that she'll do the album and it will be fantastic. She'll let Lindsey produce the record and then she'll go off and do her own thing.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by elle

well, now all of the sudden their relationship was always the same, always antagonistic, never changed... makes you wonder what other stuff said in these interviews is complete fiction.

what I can't get over is the writer talks about his attributes like his cheekbones, and never once mentions those blue eyes!!

[jbrownsjr]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

what I can't get over is the writer talks about his attributes like his cheekbones, and never once mentions those blue eyes!!

She even wrote a song about his blue eyes!!

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by jbrownsjr

She even wrote a song about his blue eyes!!

I though that was a Johnny Cash song (unless you're talking about a different song.

[elle]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

So I wasn't expecting Stevie to talk about anything other than herself. And a large part of the interview was talking about FM, anyway. It was pretty good promo for them, really - much more than for Stevie's recent solo projects.

see i keep seeing statements like this and they confuse me. what does FM need promo for? their tour is already practically sold out. and they don't have any new music to promote, thanks to the band member being interviewed here.

as Nicole stated, this looks solely a promotion for SN as a legend (which you just explained to me RS does a lot, so thanks for that - i haven't read RS other than occasional article for ages and have no idea what its influence status is these days). FM is heavily featured in the article since it plays integral part in SN being a kind of legend she apparently wants to be - article points out that solo she had her pop princess period in the 80s while band gives her a rock goddess status - or something like that.

how is singling out a band member who seems to be stalling progress of the band towards new album, while not being asked any questions about possible new album in the interview, a good promo for what this band seems to be about or wants to do?

it's a perspective on the band from a point of view of one member, who from interview snippets seems almost disconnected from the rest of the band yet at the same time presents as a face of that band... meanwhile article throws little daggers at the rest of the band for all purposes painting them as petty people jealous of SN for one reason or another, putting those words in their mouth without any actual statements from them - perhaps because apparently they were not interested about talking specifically about SN as an "icon" (only CM agreed to play along). the statement from the article writer about Mick is odd (and extremely self-important!) - apparently it's not enough for this guy that Mick said hi to him and shook his hand, while in the middle of his ritual before going on the stage for the show... what else did he want? i guess Mick should have offered to make coffee for him or something?

[WildHearted]

Anything that keeps their name and success as an entity relevant & in people's minds is good promotion for the band.

You can't promote a product that doesn't exist.... there is no new album to push, at the moment. But promoting the BRAND that is FM will help retroactively the next time they do venture out to do something artistically, if that ever happens.

I don't know how that could possibly be hard to understand.

[bombaysaffires]

see, I'm not so sure she really promoted the band with this, other than the very literal "putting their name out there" again. The walk-away impression one gets from the piece is that the band is really a big clusterf*ck of tensions and resentments by these people of Stevie… her beauty, her success, blah blah blah. What it leaves you with is a sense of what a wonderful person she is for sticking around so long when clearly out of all of them she could most easily have walked away and stayed famous. I mean even the comment about 'Lindsey would have been the star in any other band'-- while at first seeming like a bit of a mark against Stevie-- in its own way says he's better than most other rock players but even he's not better than our Stevie, who has this better "package" of stage presence, looks, talent etc etc. That can't contribute in any way (even if some think it's true) to harmony within the band. We all know that's Lindsey's bugaboo--- being overlooked for his 'substance'' by Stevie's 'flash'. And look, now he's being petty and banging on the wall like an old fart because the music's too loud…. again, not a great image that lingers in readers' minds. Lindsey's not stupid, and he's a bit overly sensitive about this topic, so this article's presentation of him can't really help internal band politics now can it? (with the caveat that maybe if he knew there was a RS reporter there he could have behaved accordingly, i.e. not given them any ammunition)

Let's face it, to borrow a quote from American politics used when judging presidential candidates.. "who would you rather have a beer with?" well, when Stevie does interviews and shows everyone her funny, charming side, like in this article, and we see Lindsey as a grouchy old poop who still seems to hold a grudge over sh&t from 30 years ago, most (casual) readers will think, "I'd rather hang out with HER." And that's the point of articles like this. To boost her brand.