Christine wants to rejoin the band according to The Guardian

[applebucked]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

They did pretty well with Peter Green...

Anyway, I'm sure Mick, John, Chris, and Lindsey going out as Fleetwood Mac could be as viable as solo Stevie. It's never been done, and Stevie won't let that happen, but I think they would still be successful and unmistakably Fleetwood Mac.

Honestly speaking, I would've preferred that.

[elle]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

They did pretty well with Peter Green...

Anyway, I'm sure Mick, John, Chris, and Lindsey going out as Fleetwood Mac could be as viable as solo Stevie. It's never been done, and Stevie won't let that happen, but I think they would still be successful and unmistakably Fleetwood Mac.

Originally Posted by applebucked

Honestly speaking, I would've preferred that.

me too, without a doubt. plus, that would test mylittledemon's theory below.

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Debatable.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...&postcount=651

so far we had runours-era FM without Lindsey but with Stevie and Christine (didn't do too well, right?), without Christine but with Stevie and Lindsey (SYW), but we never had rumours-era FM without Stevie and with just Lindsey and Christine.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by elle

so far we had runours-era FM without Lindsey but with Stevie and Christine (didn't do too well, right?)

While I don't think there was a significant difference in sales, I think BTM did slightly better than SYW.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by elle

as a lindseyfan, i'm obviously biased, but you don't usually hear of most buck fan behavior being nearly as over-the-top as chiff fan behavior.

You have that in common with the chiffs that get under your skin so much.

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

Debatable.

Not talking about the past, present day my brother.

[iamnotafraid]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

They did pretty well with Peter Green..

Again, not talking about the past.
Present day brother.

Without Stevie it's a different ball
game.

[mylittledemon]

^Mmm... still debatable though. I think it would be a financial blow to the band if Stevie left, but then someone might argue that since SYW, the band hasn't been money-bags successful (aside from touring) anyway. In Your Dreams didn't exactly light up the charts... and I don't think if the band did another round of the current "foursome" lineup in the studio that afterwards they'd have much success in sales. Clearly they need the magic of all 5 back. Stevie is a part of that, like they all are... Imagine if Lindsey left the band (God forbid) again and Chris came back. I can't imagine anyone would care so much about a Chris, Stevie, John, Mick lineup and you'd have a financial blow yet again.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

^Mmm... still debatable though. I think it would be a financial blow to the band if Stevie left, but then someone might argue that since SYW, the band hasn't been money-bags successful (aside from touring) anyway. In Your Dreams didn't exactly light up the charts... and I don't think if the band did another round of the current "foursome" lineup in the studio that afterwards they'd have much success in sales. Clearly they need the magic of all 5 back. Stevie is a part of that, like they all are... Imagine if Lindsey left the band (God forbid) again and Chris came back. I can't imagine anyone would care so much about a Chris, Stevie, John, Mick lineup and you'd have a financial blow yet again.

But, what if Stevie left and Chris came back? I'm not sure how much of a financial blow that would really be.

It's academic, since Stevie's not going anywhere if Christine comes back.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

^Mmm... still debatable though. I think it would be a financial blow to the band if Stevie left, but then someone might argue that since SYW, the band hasn't been money-bags successful (aside from touring) anyway. In Your Dreams didn't exactly light up the charts... and I don't think if the band did another round of the current "foursome" lineup in the studio that afterwards they'd have much success in sales. Clearly they need the magic of all 5 back. Stevie is a part of that, like they all are... Imagine if Lindsey left the band (God forbid) again and Chris came back. I can't imagine anyone would care so much about a Chris, Stevie, John, Mick lineup and you'd have a financial blow yet again.

That may be overestimating the effect that Christine's return would have on album sales. IYD did about as well as I could have expected, and better than many of the latest releases by Stevie's peers. I think a new studio album from Fleetwood Mac would fare similarly, even with all five members. The 70s and 80s are history. In order to "light up" the charts, they would have to sell to a lot of people young enough to be their grandchildren.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

That may be overestimating the effect that Christine's return would have on album sales. IYD did about as well as I could have expected, and better than many of the latest releases by Stevie's peers. I think a new studio album from Fleetwood Mac would fare similarly, even with all five members. The 70s and 80s are history. In order to "light up" the charts, they would have to sell to a lot of people young enough to be their grandchildren.

I think it all depends on the type of marketing campaign. I don't see it lighting up the charts, but I think they could still do well.

[Newzchspy]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Not talking about the past, present day my brother.

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Again, not talking about the past.
Present day brother.

Without Stevie it's a different ball
game.

Well, that ^ ^ ^ may be the case, BUT you ALL have to remember that music is first and foremost a business and NOT necessarily a band of 5 getting together just because they LOVE to do what they love to do!!

The fact is, FM became a very wealthy act after Rumors, to a degree that none of them expected. Problem is, everyone had their hand in that "Tour till" and it ultimately (and subsequent tours as well) made lil or no money. Mick, with his "wildly spendy ways" wound up BK and sleeping on a couch in someone's basement in the 80s as a member of one of the largest acts in the world. So, are we equating success and who makes the $$ in the band with how well their tour did or what they actually KEPT after everyone was paid??? $$ Advantage: Stevie

Fast Forward to modern day and FM is still a business. Sure, a large percentage of ticket buyers go to see Stevie and she is surely "THE DRAW" on ALL nights, BUT FM in and of itself is still a largely successful touring tour de force. Would they come if Stevie weren't in the line-up? I 'd reckon that many would NOT, stating the same familiar refrain that its JUST NOT the same. Does Stevie care?? I am not sure that she does from a business standpoint since she has so many singer/songwriter royalties that the checks can't be cashed fast enough. This leaves the band in the unenviable position of "dealing" with the fact that the true star of the show is Stevie for BOTH personal and economic reasons. Lets face it, without her, LB, MF, JM and CM could never pull in collectively or individually what she does. So, like it or not, chiffonhead fan of her or NOT, La Stevie Nicks IS the band.

A post above asked what is it about chiffonheads that disagree with some?? Easy answer, the pure unadulterated adulation of Stevie and the fact that she can DO no wrong, say NO wrong and never be wrong. Maybe its those who dress like her at concerts (although Ive seen guys at LB concerts sporting jeans and leather jackets too)? Who knows and perhaps, its NOT definable, BUT there are those chiffonheads that truly get on ones nerves. Maybe some of us are JUST not as diehard as others or we realize that a singer is NOT what she is, IT is just what she does.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by Newzchspy

Lets face it, without her, LB, MF, JM and CM could never pull in collectively or individually what she does. So, like it or not, chiffonhead fan of her or NOT, La Stevie Nicks IS the band.

Then why can't she draw on her own what she draws with Fleetwood Mac?

It's never been tested what the others could do without her collectively. I'm sure they could EASILY draw what she does as a solo artist.

[Newzchspy]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Then why can't she draw on her own what she draws with Fleetwood Mac?

It's never been tested what the others could do without her collectively. I'm sure they could EASILY draw what she does as a solo artist.

She doesnt??? The last time she came to Chicago at Allstate, she nearly sold OUT and IIRC, her #s were as strong as FM in attendance. BUT, put it conversely, I'd love to see (as you speculate) how FM would do at the same arena without Stevie??? Neither Lindsey (solo) nor Mick has ever drawn what Stevie did individually. Last time LB was at the St Charles Theatre Arcada (O Shows) , he didn't even sell out a 900 seat forum. Stevie sold OUT the Rosemont Theatre which is 20 times the size.

Fact is, all of their set-list is geared toward Stevie being at the mic and 90% of them are there to see her do GDW and Rhiannon etc etc. Not a single one would miss So Afraid.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I think it all depends on the type of marketing campaign. I don't see it lighting up the charts, but I think they could still do well.

Oh, I think it would do well too, but my definition of "well" for FM in 2014 is very different from FM in 1977 or Taylor Swift in 2012. I see a new album opening in the Top 10, probably staying there for a couple of weeks and then dropping off quickly. A big radio hit is a long-shot. SN and LB have written radio-worthy tunes in the last decade, but the band is just too old for that. Radio plays the new hits by young artists and the classic hits by the older ones.

The thing is, Fleetwood Mac is one of those iconic bands that everybody knows and a lot of people like or love because of a deep catalog of well-known songs. But I don't think the average concert-goer really knows who is in the band, besides maybe Stevie. The Eagles, arguably the only band bigger than FM in the 70s, are the same way. Most people wouldn't be able to tell you their convoluted personnel history; they just know that they will hear a bunch of big hits if they go to their show. That's why I don't think Christine's return can really transform the Mac much from what they are now. Sure we will all love to see her, but I just don't see that the attendance and ticket prices can go much higher.

[Newzchspy]

Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Oh, I think it would do well too, but my definition of "well" for FM in 2014 is very different from FM in 1977 or Taylor Swift in 2012. I see a new album opening in the Top 10, probably staying there for a couple of weeks and then dropping off quickly. A big radio hit is a long-shot. SN and LB have written radio-worthy tunes in the last decade, but the band is just too old for that. Radio plays the new hits by young artists and the classic hits by the older ones.

The thing is, Fleetwood Mac is one of those iconic bands that everybody knows and a lot of people like or love because of a deep catalog of well-known songs. But I don't think the average concert-goer really knows who is in the band, besides maybe Stevie. The Eagles, arguably the only band bigger than FM in the 70s, are the same way. Most people wouldn't be able to tell you their convoluted personnel history; they just know that they will hear a bunch of big hits if they go to their show. That's why I don't think Christine's return can really transform the Mac much from what they are now. Sure we will all love to see her, but I just don't see that the attendance and ticket prices can go much higher.

BUT they will sure advertise HER return and you can bet that some will go just because CP is back in the Band!!!

FWIW, I went to see Journey this past summer with their really good karaoke singer, BUT it was NOT the same without SP, it just wasn't!! Would any of us go see FM without Stevie? I know that I wouldnt!!

BTW, Phil Collins is thinking about a summer 2014 Tour. Would you go to see him solo without Genesis??