Christine wants to rejoin the band according to The Guardian

[elle]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

It's not the fans that refuse to acknowledge FM's success during the years Stevie / Lindsey weren't in the band it's the band and WB that tries to sweep the non SN/LB years under the carpet...I think it would be great if they didn't just focus on the Rumours thing...

agree with you there. probably most people on these boards do.

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

As far as Stevie goes you can't have it both ways...You enjoy the success and visibility she brings FM but you don't like all the attention she gets...

wait, wait... speaking for myself - no i do not. i'd rather LB tours solo, and has nothing to do with FM. he seems to enjoy the area adulation and visibility, not necessarily his fans.

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

As Stevie said a long time ago the other band members can have big solo careers if they want them all they need to do is go after it...

you must see how strange this logic is. so are you saying all the great and talented bands that are not hugely successful just don't want it enough?? or by extension all the people who can't find good jobs in their respective fields just don't want them enough? people go after stuff, success is a strange combination of luck, serendipity, talent, hard work, etc, etc.

if it's SN that says stuff like what you stated, you are partly answering your own question of why people's annoyance with her fans translates to her - seems that many things her fans keep repeating originate from her statements which some people seem to take as gospel.

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by elle

read the tirade in one of the comments here:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

you learn to mostly ignore stuff like this, but doesn't mean it's not annoying.

If you only knew how us Stevie fans wish she was the one hopping around on the Fleetwood Mac stage. We find it very frustrating that she tends to stand still most of the show. I think what Lindsey brings to the live setting is terrific. He always brings endless youthful energy and I really enjoy watching him. Sometimes his guitar solos feel endless but that is what he does. He plays guitar. He's entitled to have extended solos.

[Dex]

Originally Posted by elle

if it's SN that says stuff like what you stated, you are partly answering your own question of why people's annoyance with her fans translates to her - seems that many things her fans keep repeating originate from her statements which some people seem to take as gospel.

Yes. I think fans to have a tendency to take every off-the-cuff remark out of Stevie's mouth far more seriously than she would ever imagine. And they are often resistant to the notion that people can change their minds or rethink things very quickly. I know many fans are hungry for all they can get their hands on when it comes to Stevie, but it just gets silly. If people picked apart everything I said and held me to every off-the-cuff comment I've ever made, I have no idea what they'd think of me, but I've no doubt it would be pretty distorted.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by vivfox

If you only knew how us Stevie fans wish she was the one hopping around on the Fleetwood Mac stage. \

And she WOULD be hopping around the stage if she still could. She used to do that. Leaping and jumping and twirling and running, sometimes as part of a song and sometimes just as a result of natural exuberance. The only thing she chooses is her footwear. Different (less attractive) shoes might accommodate her physical limitations more and give her more endurance and I would welcome those, ugly reeboks or not. But in the end, arthritis or osteoporosis has impacted her a bit.

For one-off appearances she's more her old self, she moves and sings differently, when she knows she won't have to sustain that for dozens of shows. But when she knows it's a long tour, she's got to reserve her resources and not take risks.

She can't be a whirlwind physically. It's not like what she does is a choice and not as if what Lindsey is doing is different from what he's always done in FM. I can find 35 year old reviews talking about his crazy energy, just like they talk about it today. He can do what he used to do for 2-3 hours (and I guess goes comatose after) and Stevie can't do what she used to do. He didn't just decide to do it to steal her thunder. He's always been doing it. She used to do it.

Michele

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

As far as Stevie goes you can't have it both ways...You enjoy the success and visibility she brings FM but you don't like all the attention she gets...

Huh? I DON'T enjoy the success and visibility she brings Fleetwood Mac. I'd much rather see Mick, John, Christine, and Lindsey do theater tours than see the five piece play arenas any day of the week.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp

As far as Stevie goes you can't have it both ways...You enjoy the success and visibility she brings FM but you don't like all the attention she gets...Christine may have had more hits but Stevie's FM songs have probably made more money...Yes FM is bigger than Stevie solo but Stevie solo is most likely bigger than LB,CM,MF and JM solo put together profit wise...As Stevie said a long time ago the other band members can have big solo careers if they want them all they need to do is go after it...

I daresay that statement actually lends us to getting back on topic. If Christine wrote more "hits"... then doesn't that stand to reason that her songs are capable of being (if not flat out) responsible for more sales? Tango In The Night for example was the band's biggest seller (other than Rumours) and it had tons of "Chris hits." Now then, go look at the current line up and Say You Will... the album sales weren't a runaway, though the tour was a giant. I'd say without Christine, the band as a whole has suffered, and Stevie still being in the band hasn't kept the group elevated the enough to maintain the "success" you keep referring to. It's all of them equally. Not just Stevie.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

Well, speaking for myself, it's the "We love you Stevie" screams when Christine is doing an intro for "Oh Daddy," the chiffon at a Peter Green/Splinter Group at Wilbur's in Cleveland, and the chiffon at a Mick Fleetwood's Zoo show when Bekka Bramlett was in the band (though that makes MUCH more sense than at the Peter Green show).

Mostly, though, it's that notion that Stevie Nicks is the only reason Fleetwood Mac is a popular band, that anything prior to 1975 the band was just playing blues and was unsuccessful, and that how dare the band go on with a "hussy"/"Stevie wannabe" like Bekka Bramlett. They refuse to acknowledge that the band already had a legitimate greatest hits album in Europe prior to 1975, that in twelve albums the band had never been dropped, that Christine McVie had more hit singles with the band, and that Stevie (like everyone else in the band) is NOT as big on her own as she is as a member of Fleetwood Mac.

I know not all chiffon-heads are like that, but it adds up.

Also, I think Stevie has been hit-or-miss, with more misses, since 1983. She uses a lot of the same vocal runs throughout an album, EVERY album, anymore.

THANK YOU, Steve. Exactly. It's like the Stevie fans think of the rest of FM as her backing band.

Back in the day, the front 3 were pretty much tied for popularity(in my mind). But just seeing how her fans pretty much disrespected the rest of the band, and only seeing sunshine coming from her ass, drove her to the bottom of my list.

[Johnny Stew]

There are many times I roll my eyes at the bone-headed utterances from some of Stevie's fans. Responses in the comments section of articles or YouTube videos, or things they say on The Ledge. I'm a die-hard Stevie fan, and I know there have been times when I've been accused of defending her every move (an unfair criticism, but, hey, it comes with the territory), but some folks truly do take it to nauseating levels. They make you embarrassed to admit that you have anything in common with them.

However, I've encountered plenty of Lindsey and (to a much lesser extent) Christine fans who are equally over-the-top. There may be less of them (that's not a dig), so that's why their behavior may seem less oppressive... but they're out there (and in here).

I can relate when people like David (HomerMcVie) say that Stevie's fans have soured them on her, because some of Lindsey's fans have definitely soured him for me at times. And he was always my second favorite Maccer... so that's saying a lot.

I try not to let other fans effect my enjoyment though... it tends to feel somewhat irrational. Lindsey is no more responsible for his fans than Stevie is for her fans. But I think it's only human to sometimes think of their fans when thinking of them.

[elle]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

However, I've encountered plenty of Lindsey and (to a much lesser extent) Christine fans who are equally over-the-top. There may be less of them (that's not a dig), so that's why their behavior may seem less oppressive... but they're out there (and in here).

just curious since we gave some [milder] examples of what annoys some Christine or Lindsey fans - as a Stevie fan, give us some examples of over the top behavior you are referring to?

as a lindseyfan, i'm obviously biased, but you don't usually hear of most buck fan behavior being nearly as over-the-top as chiff fan behavior.

[elle]

Originally Posted by mylittledemon

I daresay that statement actually lends us to getting back on topic. If Christine wrote more "hits"... then doesn't that stand to reason that her songs are capable of being (if not flat out) responsible for more sales? Tango In The Night for example was the band's biggest seller (other than Rumours) and it had tons of "Chris hits." Now then, go look at the current line up and Say You Will... the album sales weren't a runaway, though the tour was a giant. I'd say without Christine, the band as a whole has suffered, and Stevie still being in the band hasn't kept the group elevated the enough to maintain the "success" you keep referring to. It's all of them equally. Not just Stevie.

not sure how true, but this theory sounds as good as any, and actually more plausible. i guess if they would somehow have extremely successful album with Christine next (although frankly i don't expect they'll ever have extremely successful album saleswise anymore, and they really don't need that), that would land some more credence to it.

[applebucked]

Originally Posted by elle

just curious since we gave some [milder] examples of what annoys some Christine or Lindsey fans - as a Stevie fan, give us some examples of over the top behavior you are referring to?

as a lindseyfan, i'm obviously biased, but you don't usually hear of most buck fan behavior being nearly as over-the-top as chiff fan behavior.

as a CM fan, I would also be interested in this too

[iamnotafraid]

Who here believes that St. Nicks would be so welcoming
if not for the fact she confidently knows who the star of
band is?

Without Stevie there is no financially successful Fleetwood Mac.
That's just the facts.

At this point I consider myself more of a Buckingham fan than
Nicks. Mostly because she hasn't put out a good album in over
twenty years, and Lindsey has.

$tevie = money.

[mylittledemon]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Without Stevie there is no financially successful Fleetwood Mac.
That's just the facts.

Debatable.

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showpo...&postcount=651

[MoonSister75]

I'm a Stevie fan because her lyrics speak to me most. But I believe that all FM members are equal when it comes to generating the money these days. Its seems like its been Lindsey, Mick and John (?) pushing for the tours - and these are the big money spinners. I get the feeling that a vast majority of those buying concert tickets are FM (rather than just Stevie) fans.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by iamnotafraid

Without Stevie there is no financially successful Fleetwood Mac.
That's just the facts.

They did pretty well with Peter Green...

Anyway, I'm sure Mick, John, Chris, and Lindsey going out as Fleetwood Mac could be as viable as solo Stevie. It's never been done, and Stevie won't let that happen, but I think they would still be successful and unmistakably Fleetwood Mac.