Stevie discusses Possible New

[SteveMacD]

Re: BN reissue,

Will there be a sticker on the plastic wrapping saying "File under Fleetwood Mac"?

Should "Twisted" be included (I say yes).

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by elle

you know, if these new FM tracks they recorded are anything like GOS1 tracks that would be spectacular. i don't think they are unfortunately.

GOS1 tracks had a lot of edgy or typical LB solo material among them, some of it people who don't like that kind of thing still dislike on SYW... just look at all the complaints against Murrow or Red Rover.

from everything they've been saying about the 8 new tracks, those are probably mellower, more poppy, fleetwood mac-y sounding material.

so i don't think it's about who plays on the tracks, it's more about material itself.

I know what you mean, but my point was that "Steal Your Heart Away" and "Bleed To Love Her" were very nearly Buckingham solo tracks, and "Down On Rodeo" was -- and none of them sound at all unlike Fleetwood Mac.

So if nothing comes of the other six tracks they recorded last year, Fleetwood Mac-wise, I don't think it's improbable to think he could use those on a solo album. Especially if he rounds them out with another six "edgier," more solo-esque tracks.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

He may have recorded them with a purpose, but nothing prevents him from re-purposing them. If some of the original 'Gift of Screws' tracks hadn't been used for 'Say You Will,' Mick, John & Chris would have all been on a Lindsey Buckingham album -- on songs that sounded very much like Fleetwood Mac, no less. A few of the tracks Mick & John played on still made it to Buckingham solo albums.

So it wouldn't be entirely without precedent, and re-purposing the 2012 tracks wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility.

Come on. Are you listening to me? It's not necessary to make me a list of LB songs with M&J on it in he past, and LB solosongs that became FM songs. Duh.

I just say that it these recordings have a very special position in all the recordings he did the last 25 years. The simple suggestion of repurposing may be the "normal way of things in his life", it Does NOT acknowledge the focus and idea of these recordings, that seem to be a pretty unique set, just because of the fact that they are written and recorded in the ghost of what he thinks, she thinks that is typical FM.

THAT, is the reason Why I want to hear them, with her on it, because they were meant to have her on it, That has not been the case on anything of his songs that ended up on SYW, with maybe the openingtrack as an exception.

Whatever.

[Ulpian]

I can't believe I am sitting here reading these discussions, because I really don't care for this "Buckingham-Nicks-with-a-rhythm-section" lineup as a recording entity, no matter how much I try, though I am happy to see them live. To be perfectly frank, without Christine, I couldn't care less if they never record together again.

[TheWILDheart]

Originally Posted by tothegypsy

It's interesting that Stevie finally decided that she was going to create a solo album for the sake of creation, regardless of how much it sold, but now seems to be back to those same old concerns about a new Mac record.

The ridiculous thing is, an album with the name "Fleetwood Mac" on it will ALWAYS out-sell and album with the words "Stevie Nicks" or "Lindsey Buckingham" on it. Especially outside the US where neither have had hugely successful solo careers. Especially with the insane hype around the tour, a new album to follow it seems like the most logical approach.

Having said that, since when has Stevie ever taken the logical approach to something? . In recent years, she seems to have really lost touch with the music business - especially to say that she was so on the ball during SYW.

[Johnny Stew]

Originally Posted by shackin'up

Come on. Are you listening to me? It's not necessary to make me a list of LB songs with M&J on it in he past, and LB solosongs that became FM songs. Duh.

I just say that it these recordings have a very special position in all the recordings he did the last 25 years. The simple suggestion of repurposing may be the "normal way of things in his life", it Does NOT acknowledge the focus and idea of these recordings, that seem to be a pretty unique set, just because of the fact that they are written and recorded in the ghost of what he thinks, she thinks that is typical FM.

THAT, is the reason Why I want to hear them, with her on it, because they were meant to have her on it, That has not been the case on anything of his songs that ended up on SYW, with maybe the openingtrack as an exception.

Whatever.

You stated earlier in this thread that Lindsey, Mick & John should still release them as Fleetwood Mac songs, even without Stevie's participation. I didn't get the sense that the inclusion of Stevie's voice was as important to you as the songs being released in general. As such, I was making the case for re-purposing them as solo tracks, if she decides not to record.

I know Lindsey envisioned them as Fleetwood Mac songs with Stevie singing on them -- but, in my view, if she doesn't ultimately sing on them, then all bets are off as to which artist name gets attached to them ("Fleetwood Mac" or "Lindsey Buckingham").

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

That's the Access Hollywood one, right? Stevie says, "we were thinking that maybe we would hold it for the Buckingham Nicks album, which is the 40th anniversary is coming up."

I didn't get the impression she was talking about recording a sequel to Buckingham Nicks out of that, but was referring again to the potential reissue of the original album.

It was the interviewer who mentioned BN II. I believe I have read comments from Lindsey before about doing something new- he may have just been saying they should do a couple of bonus tracks for the anniversary thing though.

[PenguinHead]

Originally Posted by elle

if you are an artist and have the need to create and put out new music then you do it, whether or not people buy it or love it. maybe they'll love it now or rediscover it 5 years down the road... and maybe they won't. but you are moving forward and being creative.

however, if you are just putting out new music for money and commercial success (which you were lucky enough to get in troves and can still reel in millions by touring and royalties anyway... so why do you need huge sales of new music??), than don't claim that you are still an artist, please.

You took the words (I would have said) right out of my mouth! Stevie's perspective is half-ass backwards. Let's hope Lindsey and Mick have a different perspective.

[CADreaming]

Well, isn't that the age old irony? Artists work hard at their craft to become successful and then when they do, maintaining success takes precedence over the art. I think Stevie is still an artist, but she's always wanted to make money off of it - and lots of it. Isn't the goal always to make a living (money to support yourself) by doing what you love (music/songwriting) instead of any other mainstream job? It's crazy to think that's not the ultimate goal. If anyone says otherwise, they're lying to themselves. You'd have to look at the numbers to see if Stevie made money off IYD. For example, if she was only interested in the money & she was working so hard to promote it strictly for sales, why would she bother doing another album at all if she didn't want to fill a creative void? She could have just toured. Both things work together - the art makes the money, the money makes the art. I can't blame on her for that. She didn't invent the music business, she just works in it.

[mitzo]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Well, isn't that the age old irony? Artists work hard at their craft to become successful and then when they do, maintaining success takes precedence over the art. I think Stevie is still an artist, but she's always wanted to make money off of it - and lots of it. Isn't the goal always to make a living (money to support yourself) by doing what you love (music/songwriting) instead of any other mainstream job? It's crazy to think that's not the ultimate goal. If anyone says otherwise, they're lying to themselves. You'd have to look at the numbers to see if Stevie made money off IYD. For example, if she was only interested in the money & she was working so hard to promote it strictly for sales, why would she bother doing another album at all if she didn't want to fill a creative void? She could have just toured. Both things work together - the art makes the money, the money makes the art. I can't blame on her for that. She didn't invent the music business, she just works in it.

We see plenty of other vintage acts who still release new music and seem content to see sales much lower than IYD, and who tour and play in small venues. Look at Lindsey's recent flurry of activity, for example. Did he lose money on all that?

[vivfox]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

So if nothing comes of the other six tracks they recorded last year, Fleetwood Mac-wise, I don't think it's improbable to think he could use those on a solo album. Especially if he rounds them out with another six "edgier," more solo-esque tracks.

This has always sort of bugged me about Lindsey. Ever since Tusk, his songs have mostly taken on a strange vibe. I have always wished that he would get over that style of weirdness and get back to recording the beautiful music he created between 1973-1977.Not to say I don't love his strange stuff because there are some that I do, such as Murrow, The Ledge, That's Enough For Me.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by mitzo

We see plenty of other vintage acts who still release new music and seem content to see sales much lower than IYD, and who tour and play in small venues. Look at Lindsey's recent flurry of activity, for example. Did he lose money on all that?

It's a possibility. But, if he only did that all the time - he couldn't afford to do it. He's also not only in it for the art.

[RoryGilmore]

Hey I'm new here anyway

I think maybe Stevie want's too see how things go on the tour first then maybe think about making a new album. Like they have recorded 2 maybe 3 new songs? So maybe she wants too see how that goes down with the crowd.

Also Lindsey wants to make some new B/N music so maybe she wants to take that into consideration as well. And they have reconnected a lot lately.

[elle]

Originally Posted by mitzo

We see plenty of other vintage acts who still release new music and seem content to see sales much lower than IYD, and who tour and play in small venues. Look at Lindsey's recent flurry of activity, for example. Did he lose money on all that?

word on the street is that he actually made money on his last year's solo tour. but it was certainly not millions he will make on the "big machine" tour.

i don't think almost any artist is making much money on album sales anymore... there was a story about Gaga having to cancel 25 tour dates just today, and the comment made by a reporter was "considering artists today make money touring and not by album sales she certainly didn't cancel these lightheartedly"... or something like that. that's talking about current artist selling millions of albums in the most recent years.

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by elle

word on the street is that he actually made money on his last year's solo tour. but it was certainly not millions he will make on the "big machine" tour.

i don't think almost any artist is making much money on album sales anymore... there was a story about Gaga having to cancel 25 tour dates just today, and the comment made by a reporter was "considering artists today make money touring and not by album sales she certainly didn't cancel these lightheartedly"... or something like that. that's talking about current artist selling millions of albums in the most recent years.

Excellent point. I'm not judging FM for being from the old school where labels gave you big budgets, focused on artist development, branded (with all the necessary evils that incurs), etc. So, they are ducks out of water right now and have to figure out how to maneuver in this new world. I'm sure it's really hard and a bit of a culture shock. I believe there was a time when an artist could cut out touring almost altogether and still make a very comfortable living based off royalties/publishing if they wrote their own stuff.

By the way, I bet LB did make money off the OMS tour. Stan works for peanuts, right? Lol.