Stevie & Lindsey Intimacy

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think they love each other and have a deep connection too, but I think they planned that nonsense and I find it annoying.

Michele

Totally agree on the planned....and repeated ad nauseum.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Totally agree on the planned....and repeated ad nauseum.

I mean, it's based on Lindsey's former interview comments like this that I think YES they do PLAN.

"Mick will usually be in cahoots with whatever is going on with Stevie," Buckingham says. "It's not about anything other than wanting to grease the machinery. They were saying next time we tour, we're going to move the mikes closer together and you're going to look in Stevie's eyes. I didn't say anything. Other than we did this play, I suppose we can do that play, too.

"A couple of months ago I went over there and she hands me a set list of what we're going to do a year and a half from now. So that's what going on now -- everyone wants to get out there at some point. The question is under what terms, or are there any terms. There seems to be a certain amount of political agendas to sort out. But, you know, whatever."

Doesn't mean I don't love Stevie and Lindsey together though. I do. I'm made that way.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Lindsey said that Mick and Stevie were trying to get him to market it before. So, yes, I believe that's exactly what they're doing.

You know I really hate that was ever published because it became the sole argument for concluding any and all PDA is staged.

You've said that you think their spats are contrived, to drum up interest and I think that's very unlikely.


Michele

No that's not what I said! I said that it makes just as much sense that they would be contriving - or exaggerating - their spats as it does to think any fondness or PDA is staged...

But, whatever. I'm tired of arguing about it. Surprise, surprise.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I mean, it's based on Lindsey's former interview comments like this that I think YES they do PLAN.



Doesn't mean I don't love Stevie and Lindsey together though. I do. I'm made that way.

Michele

So the question is, why does he play along? Is it really just for the money?

There was that interview where she talks about how she and LB don't talk or spend time together at ALL for years in between FM gigs. They "just don't have that kind of relationship". And after all these years I don't believe it's because of the romance anymore, I think they are just two people who live in totally different universes and if it weren't for FMac they just wouldn't probably ever communicate at all. Stevie and Mick, on the other hand, are far more kindred spirits, "drama queens" as Mick likes to say and they really keep in touch. Mick seems to keep in touch with everyone, and to me it actually seems like *Mick* is the lynchpin to LB and SN getting together. I think there's a nostalgic love between the two but I'm still not sure even now how much they truly like each other. I know that's not a popular opinion, so I'll put on my helmet now.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

You know I really hate that was ever published because it became the sole argument for concluding any and all PDA is staged.

That's not the sole argument. I can look at those clips and tell it was staged.

Just like the joke about "good thing I had big hair." The way they delivered that line, we could tell that they'd shared the joke before.

As far as Stevie and Lindsey bickering, I've seen you say before that their arguments are exaggerated. I know that's not what you said today, but I've seen you say it in the past.

Michele

[redtulip]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

So the question is, why does he play along? Is it really just for the money?

There was that interview where she talks about how she and LB don't talk or spend time together at ALL for years in between FM gigs. They "just don't have that kind of relationship". And after all these years I don't believe it's because of the romance anymore, I think they are just two people who live in totally different universes and if it weren't for FMac they just wouldn't probably ever communicate at all. Stevie and Mick, on the other hand, are far more kindred spirits, "drama queens" as Mick likes to say and they really keep in touch. Mick seems to keep in touch with everyone, and to me it actually seems like *Mick* is the lynchpin to LB and SN getting together. I think there's a nostalgic love between the two but I'm still not sure even now how much they truly like each other. I know that's not a popular opinion, so I'll put on my helmet now.

I agree with everything you just said here.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

So the question is, why does he play along? Is it really just for the money?

I think he's doing that handholding to promote this tour. However, why does he want to tour with her in the first place? I don't think it's just for the money. I think he really does want to share things with her and the coming full circle goal is not mercenary. I think he values where they came from and the true moments they share that remind him of BN. I just think he gets frustrated that maybe there aren't enough true moments, due to the "machinery".

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

So the question is, why does he play along? Is it really just for the money?

I think there's a nostalgic love between the two but I'm still not sure even now how much they truly like each other.

Yes, it's all for the money, it's all staged and they hate each other.

Originally Posted by michelej1

That's not the sole argument. I can look at those clips and tell it was staged.

Oh, hail! How could I have forgotten these clips already!!! I meant in addition to the clips...

Just like the joke about "good thing I had big hair." The way they delivered that line, we could tell that they'd shared the joke before.

Poppycock. That was off the cuff.

As far as Stevie and Lindsey bickering, I've seen you say before that their arguments are exaggerated. I know that's not what you said today, but I've seen you say it in the past.

Michele

I don't think their arguments are exaggerated. I think the news of their arguments is greatly exaggerated.... there's a difference.

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think he's doing that handholding to promote this tour. However, why does he want to tour with her in the first place? I don't think it's just for the money. I think he really does want to share things with her and the coming full circle goal is not mercenary. I think he values where they came from and the true moments they share that remind him of BN. I just think he gets frustrated that maybe there aren't enough true moments, due to the "machinery".

Michele

agree with that first bit.

still not sure the answer to the why question though. I do think money is definitely a part of it. There really is a limited window of time left for them to do the big tour thing and it would be a lost golden opportunity.

I guess if there's anyone in this band with "artistic integrity" it'd be LB for sure. I believe that's where his push for new material comes from-- he really does want them to have something new to contribute artistically before a tour (esp given that had nada for the LAST tour.. You can swear it's not another "greatest hits" tour, but two tours with nothing but your hits makes you a golden oldies act in my book. I think that notion bothers LB more than the others).

I'm thrilled they're going out but I agree with someone who posted previously about waiting for the *post-tour* interviews from Stevie where she talks about how awful it was and not what she wanted and etc etc.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Yes, it's all for the money, it's all staged and they hate each other.

I'm the last one to think those two hate each other. But I don't think they would normally be holding hands so much through so many interviews. Do they touch spontaneously? Yes, certainly. Are they doing it in those clips? Not so much.

Michele

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I'm the last one to think those two hate each other. But I don't think they would normally be holding hands so much through so many interviews. Do they touch spontaneously? Yes, certainly. Are they doing it in those clips? Not so much.

Michele

Nah, wasn't directing that at you. I know and understand where you are coming from.

I don't even totally disagree with you about said clips. I just don't totally agree either. For instance, the Mick thing. He had not even gotten to that part when Lindsey had already looked down at Stevie's hand and seemingly wondered about holding it. Did they discuss that? I don't know. I just think it's bizarre. Maybe they feel bizarre about being filmed that way - and that's why it looks weird on camera. I don't know. It's just not something they would have to do in order to promote anything -even BN. They don't have to sit there and act like teenagers holding hands to publicize their old, dead romance... I'm sure if we thought about it we could even come up with examples.

Like you said earlier -- it's a bit warped.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

For instance, the Mick thing. He had not even gotten to that part when Lindsey had already looked down at Stevie's hand and seemingly wondered about holding it. Did they discuss that? I don't know. I just think it's bizarre.

To me, it's like Lindsey's ears perked up because he knew where Mick was going. "Oh yeah, this is the part about our incredible chemistry." So, I think he went for her hand then in anticipation of Mick and I think she knew he would be holding her hand.

Yet, flip the coin: those videos we only recently got from The Dance interviews what he is doing, kissing her head, is even more perverse and no I don't think that was planned. Stevie's reaction was not like she knew it was going to happen and there was a kind of underlying tension or feeling there that felt very real and suggested a lot. Michele

[bombaysaffires]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

Nah, wasn't directing that at you.

Was it directed at me by chance?

I certainly don't think they hate each other. I've never used that word, ever.

I did say I don't think they like each other all that much, and went on to say they admit they don't keep in touch when the band isn't working... not like they do with other members of the band.

I just think they can still annoy each other even after all these years in ways that perhaps the other band members don't. And I believe they are still competitive with each other. Maybe not as virulently as they were in the late 70s and 80s.

It seems par for the course in bands. Take a look at *any* band that's been together forever. There are *always* tensions between the key players-- Paul McCartney and John Lennon, Mick Jagger and Keith Richards, Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend, hell even the Oasis brothers bashed each other up a lot. Look at Mick and John-- they can annoy the hell out of each other (watch John at the end of the DR documentary). I don't think it's any different with Stevie and Lindsey; they just have the distinction of having been lovers which adds another layer. As I said, I do think they have a nostalgic love for each other, but they really do live very different lives and outside the band (and history) they don't have a lot else in common anymore.

But again, that's what's so great about a free country. Everyone can think whatever they want.

[SteveMacD]

Originally Posted by michelej1

I think he's doing that handholding to promote this tour. However, why does he want to tour with her in the first place? I don't think it's just for the money. I think he really does want to share things with her and the coming full circle goal is not mercenary. I think he values where they came from and the true moments they share that remind him of BN. I just think he gets frustrated that maybe there aren't enough true moments, due to the "machinery".

I think Lindsey has a lot of creative ideas for the band that he wants to see come fruition, but has to play this game to make that happen. The harmonies he and Stevie produce are an awesome tool from a production standpoint. If there's any hope to make that happen, he has play along with the drama queens.

[shackin'up]

Originally Posted by SteveMacD

I think Lindsey has a lot of creative ideas for the band that he wants to see come fruition, but has to play this game to make that happen. The harmonies he and Stevie produce are an awesome tool from a production standpoint. If there's any hope to make that happen, he has play along with the drama queens.

Bingo. I'm Pretty sure lindsey is in a creative flow, he brought out a big chunk of new work the last couple of years and besides touring intense, he recorded 8 potentially new Mactracks. He's been open for collaboration with Mitchell Froom, So he's in a state of being where anythings possible. The fact that he wrote and recorded those songs with FM, and Stevie in mind, is a break with the years of writing for solowork and bend it into FM. He's going to make a big load of money during this tour, and- as we all know by now, he's partially going to use that for the production of new music. Solo, or with the dramaqueens.