Improv...endearing or annoying? - Page 4

michelej1 · #46 11-04-2012, 08:09 PM

There's something about the defiance of "Well, I don't think you do" that stands apart from the rather mystical lyrics of Rhiannon and kind of makes me smile a bit.

Michele

MikeInNV · #47 11-05-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by WildHearted

I mean, she couldn''t possibly thing those are the lyrcis, could she? After hearing it however many times over the past 30something years?

Does anyone remember how she sang the lyrics when she did the whole song solo for Bill Clinton?

britt0308 · #48 11-05-2012, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Does anyone remember how she sang the lyrics when she did the whole song solo for Bill Clinton?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqSGR...eature=related

^haven't listened recently, but Don't Stop begins at 8:00 min.

No matter who it is, or how good/bad the performance is, I always feel a bit odd towards group songs sung solo. Same with Stevie singing the Chain solo in '94. Good. But just..odd.

WildHearted · #49 11-05-2012, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV

Does anyone remember how she sang the lyrics when she did the whole song solo for Bill Clinton?

She sang it the correct way - "If your life was bad to you..."

icinglover1995 · #50 11-06-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Quote: Outside the Rain:
"Look in my eyes, touch my face, do you think baby, there's anyone in this whole wild world that could ever replace me? I don't think so! But if so then take it away!

I'm with the camp that is not always so thrilled with her ad libs.

I find it sort of ironic that Stevie is soooo protective of her words in the studio and NO ONE can change them because it'll mess up her song and then she goes out and does that very thing herself!!

In my opinion, she wrote the words. Of course she doesn't want anyone to change them! But because she wrote them, can't she do whatever she wants with them?? Regardless of how we feel about it? Do our opinions really matter when she's on stage singing her own words?

UndoingTheLaces · #51 11-06-2012, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by icinglover1995

In my opinion, she wrote the words. Of course she doesn't want anyone to change them! But because she wrote them, can't she do whatever she wants with them?? Regardless of how we feel about it? Do our opinions really matter when she's on stage singing her own words?

Um... no. How would you like it if you were doing something you love, like painting a picture or baking a pie or driving a car and someone you don't even know was right behind you going "nope, I don't like that... more sugar in that pie, more blue in that painting.. you're driving too fast."

Of course if you were painting while baking a pie going down the sea coast (like a blackbird) at 60 mph then maybe someone should be giving you instructions.

I'm being glib but my point is that this is Stevie's music. It's here for people to buy and to pay to see her perform it if we like. But no, she doesn't owe us anything.

KarmaContestant · #52 11-06-2012, 01:24 PM

I stand on both sides of this issue. Sometimes the improv is cringe worthy and clunky - like most fo the RAL tour. Other times, the ad libbing and improv is great - there are many examples that have already been pointed out, but I'll use her 79-83 performances of Sisters of the Moon and Rhiannon as examples.

bombaysaffires · #53 11-06-2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by icinglover1995

In my opinion, she wrote the words. Of course she doesn't want anyone to change them! But because she wrote them, can't she do whatever she wants with them?? Regardless of how we feel about it? Do our opinions really matter when she's on stage singing her own words?

Technically, sure, she can do whatever she wants.

My point was more that if you are going to push back against anyone changing your words because they are just perfect the way they are and changing them will just destroy your song and it's just so beautiful the way it is, and they fit the melody so perfectly.......... why f*ck with the words at all?

michelej1 · #54 11-06-2012, 09:48 PM

A lot of times when I finish something after it is done I think of ways it could have been better. I'm sure it's like that with Stevie and if she can improve a song or its message or if she thinks that message should change a little over time as she and the world have evolved, I think that's great.

Also, if she just wants to change it up because she gets bored, that's fine too.

Of course, she's going to flop sometimes with these changes, but if 1 out of 5 actually enhances a song, then I think it's good for fans to be able to experience them. I don't want a song to sound just like the studio version.

Now, I remember feeling a little perplexed when I first heard Lindsey's song Show You How in concert because he'd changed the chorus and the tempo and it put me off, but that was because it was a brand NEW song. I'd never heard it before and I'd wanted to hear a live version of the studio interpretation at least once. But that was for a new song. For a 30 year old tune, if you want to shake things up, go for it.

I think that's why Gold Dust Woman sounds so much better live than Dreams or Rhiannon does for me, because Stevie always slips something new in there and it's different when she does it solo than with the Mac too.

I like the newish "take it all" she throws into Stand Back too. It makes me go over her whole conversation with the one man who did not fall and what they said to each other once more, just by throwing in a few new words.

Michele

fairydust75 · #55 11-06-2012, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Technically, sure, she can do whatever she wants.

My point was more that if you are going to push back against anyone changing your words because they are just perfect the way they are and changing them will just destroy your song and it's just so beautiful the way it is, and they fit the melody so perfectly.......... why f*ck with the words at all?

Simple, because she is just being "her true Gemini-self". Stevie is just being Stevie...that's why we love her.

Kena · #56 11-10-2012, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UndoingTheLaces

Okay, here are the versions of Sara we've been talking about:

Sara, Melbourne 80

https://www.yousendit.com/download/W...TER0NjlFQmRVag

Sara, Cleveland 80

https://www.yousendit.com/download/W...TERoeVlkVU1UQw

They'll only be good for about a week or so (yousendit, not my rule), so please grab them up now.

And just for fun I'm throwing in the Sara from St. Louis in 79. This is the full length soundboard recording from the performance you've seen in the Tusk documentary. That one was recorded from the speakers I believe and then heavily edited, so this one sounds much different but the vocal is the same. There's even a moment in the video where she sings "All I ever wanted was to know...." letting "know" trail off rather than finish the line and in the video you barely hear her and it's kind of echoey. That's because the sound was coming through the vocal monitor but not going out to the audience, so you're actually hearing it through the monitor. In this recording you'll hear her voice fully when she sings that part. It's really cool. And here's a fun fact, this is also the performance they took the music from for the version on Fleetwood Mac Live. Then they went into the studio and redubbed the vocals. Betcha didn't know the one from the live album and the one from the video were the same performance.

Sara, St. Louis in 79

https://www.yousendit.com/download/W...TEQxUUJDaDhUQw

I'm late to the Sara party... yousendit has taken the Sara's and ran... Can you...or someone...anyone...make these songs come back???