Shame on you, NC - Page 4

Silver Springs · #46 05-10-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfanforever

I've talked to my friend last night.He said."The big insurance companies are fighting this and greasing pockets of our political parties to vote against this". They dont want to pay out more money then they have too.

Wow. It's not like insurers at all to be unscrupulous!

markolas · #47 05-10-2012, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Springs

I don't think it's naivity. Just a belief in love for its own sake, rather than something recognised by the government. Believe it or, alot of people want to lead their lives without being tied up by red tape and a trail of paper behind them.

Please don't insult people for having an opinion that differs from your own. Maybe you'd have more friends on the board ifou didn't resort to personal attacks to protect your opinions.

It most certainly is naive. I'd like to lead my life knowing that my bigot relatives can't screw with my and my partner's life, which they could do without much effort if the right circumstances presented themselves.

Please stop trying to impose your ideals on me when you so clearly have no understanding of reality, or are simply choosing to ignore it.

Macfanforever · #48 05-10-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Springs

Wow. It's not like insurers at all to be unscrupulous!

Yes .he caught me off gaurd on that statement.

TrueFaith77 · #49 05-10-2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by markolas

hardly. You come here and tell me that my partner and I deserve to be legal strangers, that my bigot relatives should have more say in what happens to me than he does, and then you have the nerve to act offended when I don't roll over and take it?

I want it to be clear that I have not stated my opinion on this subject at all (i.e., I have not indicated how I would vote). My points were simply to explain that a) it doesn't take a bigot to think marriage is defined as being a union between a man and a woman and b) this is not Civil Rights issue, according to my understanding of the term (another analogy: if same-sex marriages were legalized, but effiminate men were excluded from participating in them (as was the case with establishments serving alcohol in NY), THEN it would be a Civil Rights issue). There are a lot of Civil Rights issues that are being neglected by elitist gays and their Gay Orthodoxy.

For the record and for the benefit of the rest of the board, since Civil "Marriages" exist, if put to a vote, I would vote to allow any two consenting adults to be "married." But, again, I'm only one vote. And I'm OK with that.

Silver Springs · #50 05-10-2012, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by markolas

It most certainly is naive. I'd like to lead my life knowing that my bigot relatives can't screw with my and my partner's life, which they could do without much effort if the right circumstances presented themselves.

Please stop trying to impose your ideals on me when you so clearly have no understanding of reality, or are simply choosing to ignore it.

Requests for a little consideration and understanding of another's viewpoint and a little respect....Imposition....They're so clearly the same. Why did I never see this before? Oh, come off it. I disagree with you. Rather than attacking me for doing so why don't you just suck it up and realise that people have minds and don't think exactly like you? Why not realise that people have different wants from life? Incase you didn't notice my first post in this thread, it was an AGREEMENT that the lack of recognition for same sex relationships and the lack of legality to join together in matrimony is wrong. Just because I can see another's viewpoint is not an attack on what you believe.

By the way, you know nothing about me so you have no right to say that I have no concept of reality.

TrueFaith77 · #51 05-10-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Springs

Just because somebody doesn't agree with you doesn't mean that they're not understanding. Please pick up your pacifier. I believe you threw it out of the pram when people decided to have thoughts..

I think you need to take a step back and realize that not everything being posted--certainly NOTHING being posted by me--is an attack. I read his responses. I hope I read them with care. And hardly any were addressing what it was I was saying, yet he attached each comment to one of my own--as if there was meant to be a correlation. I saw none. So somewhere there was a disconnect. Example: my phrase "biological lines" made him think I was talking about "incest." I was not. Now, Markolas may be convinced that I was, and you may be convinced that I was, but I really wasn't. I was saying: marriage could arguably be defined based the capacity--bioligically--for the couple to procreate. So I recognize that that phrase was not a helpful one--and it seems I may have caused more confusion. However, I also know that sometimes people don't really try to take another person's point of view seriously or into consideration--and therefore invent an argument that isn't really there. But that's for him to look into his own heart and decide, not for me. I'm sure that he and I came to the same conclusion: that it's not really worth expending more energy over.

RickRobert · #52 05-10-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by markolas

How naive can you be? That piece of paper ensures that my partner and I aren't legal strangers, which has very real consequences for those of us who don't live in hippy dipshlt land.

Wrong. Nice tantrum though.

Johnny Stew · #53 05-10-2012, 01:52 PM

It's true that we don't need religion or the government to validate our relationships -- no one does, for that matter -- but it's also true that, without that "piece of paper," same-sex partners have little say in situations such as medical emergencies, funeral arrangements, etc., if blood relatives choose to block their involvement. It's happened countless times.

The way I see it, whether we as individuals in the gay community want to get married or not, it's ultimately for the common good for us to at least have the right and ability.

KarmaContestant · #54 05-10-2012, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77

b) this is not Civil Rights issue, according to my understanding of the term

I suppose that is the heart of our disagreement. I do see marriage for gays as a civil rights issue. It's okay by me that you don't.

TrueFaith77 · #55 05-10-2012, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

I suppose that is the heart of our disagreement. I do see marriage for gays as a civil rights issue. It's okay by me that you don't.

You mean: "Expanding the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples" is a civil rights issue. And, yes, that is correct, I do not consider that a Civil Rights issue. And it is OK with me that you do.

markolas · #56 05-10-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77

Example: my phrase "biological lines" made him think I was talking about "incest." I was not.

What in hell are you talking about? How did you get that I thought you were talking about incest out of anything I said?

TrueFaith77 · #57 05-10-2012, 03:56 PM

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What in hell are you talking about? How did you get that I thought you were talking about incest out of anything I said?

You said "we know what you are saying." I assumed you included Hejira in the "we." Hejira is the person to whom I was responding. He said I was talking about incest.

markolas · #58 05-10-2012, 04:20 PM

I have to leave this website.

Silver Springs · #59 05-10-2012, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77

I think you need to take a step back and realize that not everything being posted--certainly NOTHING being posted by me--is an attack.

That was the impression I was getting from the post I commented on, that you weren't opening up to others. I stand by what I thought but I'm not going to comment further on it. I read through the thread enough to formulate an opinion.

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I have to leave this website.

I love this. You're asked to be a bit more respectful of others and not jump the gun and suddenly you have to leave the website. Slightly dramatic, don't you think?

HomerMcvie · #60 05-10-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Springs

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I love this. You're asked to be a bit more respectful of others and not jump the gun and suddenly you have to leave the website. Slightly dramatic, don't you think?

Why change now?

Liberal minds (I don't necessarily mean anyone in this thread)always think they're open to others points of view. It's just not always the case(or even ~usually~, in my experience).

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions/agenda, as long as I approve!!!