A response to promoting IN YOUR DREAMS. Why?

[WildHearted]

^ Landslide has taken on a life of it's own, and I don't think it did so largely out of Stevie's control. Even she's remarked that she's sick of singing it.

[Macfanforever]

I never find Stevie's older cds in the used or cutout bins.

[bombaysaffires]

I think Stevie knows the writing is on the wall in terms of how many years she's got left to make any money off performing... realistically, I just don't think she can go out and do Edge of 17 at 70.... so that means she's got a good what 6 yrs roughly left? I think she does want to make money and I think she knows she hasn't got that many more years left... And she has an ego. Anybody that famous always wants to continue to feel relevant. A new album makes you relevant rather than just someone retreading their old hits (AGAIN).

That said, we just went last night to see Joan Rivers perform live at Symphony Hall and she's SEVENTY-EIGHT.

Realistically though, standing and telling jokes (though she was very physical, more than I would have ever expected) is NOT bopping around on platform boots and belting out rock and roll for two hours... and I don't see mama being physically able to do that for much longer, let alone at 78... which frankly would just be unseemly anyway. At some point you really do become a sad shadow of your former self and trying to maintain and live up to an act that you established when you were in your 30s is just, well... pathetic. So I think she's squeezing the cash cow until it dries up.

[sparky]

I hope she hits the road for more solo shows after the Rod gigs, and from what I have heard it is likely she will. Of course she is touring this summer. That's what Stevie does. Naysayers, meet Stevie Nicks. Road warrior. Cliff dweller from the old school. Pounder of the boards with platforms or frankenboks in any shed or similar venue she can book from July to September almost every year since 19 f-ing 75. I am sure she is pleased to meet you. Get to know her. She tours and makes money, which we all need to do, and has fun. She loves performing and like she has often said, what the hell else is gonna do but play music? How is this news to anyone with a brain and an internet connection?

I for one am glad she tours all the time. I don't go to all of the shows I can. But I am thrilled she still can get out there and do it. I never thought in the old days she would still be at it and still have the ability to not only knock it out of the park on some days, but also be consistently good. Her hallmark for many years was inconsistency. Good for her. She is a workhorse. And she finally got it down to a reliable art.

As far as IYD being a flop - I don't think it was. It did not do as well as some hoped it would. Myself included. But the truth is the market has changed so much and continues to change on a daily basis. What is the real litmus test for an artist her age? It is very hard to say. It did better than most recent releases by artists from her generation. And her hip factor remains through the roof. She wouldn't get bookings on Ellen, AGT, The Voice, or any such big shows if the producers did not think people would watch. Not only do people watch, but her legend precedes her. There is a tremendous good will towards her in the business as well. People behind the scenes love her. She's a pro. She nails the rehearsals, does her bit, everyone has fun with her. The sales? Who cares? She got great reviews. She did a nice and well attended support tour. Those of us who are lifelong fans by and large loved the record. I even converted a few decades long naysayers who were moved to tears by the work on IYD. I think the project was a major victory.

She clearly does as well. And if she wants to keep pushing it, good on her. The songs are worth it. She should be proud. And if that means she bucks common sense and keeps touring behind it, I am right there with her. Say what you will about Stevie, she does whatever the hell she wants. For her own reasons. And she always has. I haven't always agreed with her decisions, and I am sure she couldn't give a rat's ass, but in this case I do agree. I love this record as much as she does. And I think it is some small miracle she is as good as she still is. I never expected her to be able to pull this off, so I am gonna celebrate it as long as she does.

[PolishStevieFan]

I think that "In Your Dreams" still has got potential but maybe Stevie should try to promote it more outside of US. I am aware that US is her most important market but on the other hand there are so many different places in which she can achieve some degree of commercial success. For example: France, Germany, Holland, South America...

[sparky]

Originally Posted by WildHearted

^ Landslide has taken on a life of it's own, and I don't think it did so largely out of Stevie's control. Even she's remarked that she's sick of singing it.

Landslide was an album cut and was never promoted as a single off the white album. AOR stations played it in the 70's simply because it was a great song and people responded to it. It became a concert staple for the same reason. They needed to play new material and people loved it. It was being performed in high school auditoriums in high schools in the 80's not because it was a hit, but because it is one her purest and highest quality compositions. Anyone can sing it. Everyone relates to it. It is her crowning achievement as a songwriter. Simply in terms of mass appeal and moneymaking it surpasses the precious only number one FM song Dreams.

She didn't have any problems redoing her pool with the proceeds of the Smashing Pumpkin's dreadful whining cover, and even gloated over the 5 million dollar royalty check from the Dixie Chicks revival hit. Landslide put her on the map as a true songwriter decades after its birth and got her an award. She may bitch about having to sing it, and I personally pee during her current concert reading of it, but
it is a goldmine financially and has been one of the bedrocks of her being taken seriously as a writer.

See any online reference to Dolly Parton and her reaction to the late Whitney Houston's massive success with her vocal bull in a china shop butcher job of I Will Always Love You. I may recall this quote somewhat incorrectly, but Dolly thanked Whitney that year at an awards ceremony for the success of the recording and cited "3 million reasons." Then cackled her priceless Tennessee laugh.

Stevie may be as sick of singing Landslide as I am of hearing it. But it made her a fortune, and vaulted her to a position as a composer that neither Lindsey, Christine, or many of her idols have ever attained.

[chriskisn]

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

I don't understand the cynicism around here, regarding Stevie wanting to make money in the latter days of her career. She's paid her dues & she's earned the right to go out and tour for however long people still want to pay to see her. That doesn't negate her as an artist. For a considerably long span of time, she wrote more songs & recorded more music than anyone else in Fleetwood Mac. So now she's "resting on her laurels" more often than not. Big whoop.

She loves her music and she loves to make money. One doesn't cancel out the other.

It has never been "ALL" about the music though. It very rarely is for anyone. Is that wrong? Probably not. The fans would love to think that Stevie doesn't care about album sales, dollars and whatever else and just cares about producing music. That is as far from realism as it gets. Sure, I'm sure she cares about her music but it isn't just about that.

Stevie is welcome to make as much money as she can from her talent, and good luck to her. Just don't tell me that she's only in it for the sake of her art.

[olive]

Originally Posted by APerfectLie

The filming and editing costs have probably already been paid for, but promotion and physical copies of the documentary are not free. Sure she will recoup that money if sales are good, but what if they aren't? What if the documentary costs more than it makes? Then Stevie is left holding the ball. Can she afford to release something that doesn't break even? Definitely! But if she can mitigate that risk by touring with Rod, then why not? I am not saying that Stevie has to tour in order to release the documentary, but what I do believe is that if Stevie chose not to tour with Rod, then she would not be guaranteed that she could tour this year, especially to such a large audience. She then risks not being able to secure a tour this year, which would leave her financing her own promotion! Why pay to fly to New York to do nothing but promote and get paid nothing for it when you can just do that promotion while you are already there playing a show? All in all, I think the tour with Rod was most likely agreed upon with high consideration of all of her expenses, including her plans for the IYD doc.

who said she is releasing this , is this a vanity project like cher's 'not.com.mercial' the one she produced , manufactured at her cost in limited edition and sold on line?

I would assume she is /has been shopping around for a distributor to suck up expenses and cost

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by olive

who said she is releasing this , is this a vanity project like cher's 'not.com.mercial' the one she produced , manufactured at her cost in limited edition and sold on line?

I would assume she is /has been shopping around for a distributor to suck up expenses and cost

It all comes down to contracts and risk transfer. If Stevie has a 360 degree contract with WB, they may in fact REQUIRE her to tour for them to release the documentary and then they can gain revenue for both!

[chiliD]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

I never find Stevie's older cds in the used or cutout bins.

Denial is good.

[Macfanforever]

Originally Posted by chiliD

Denial is good.

Stevie 's work is so good,Nobody wants to dump her cd's into the used bins.

The same at the flea markets Very little Stevie cd's and vinyl.But alot of FM Rumours.

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by Macfanforever

I never find Stevie's older cds in the used or cutout bins.

I don't either, except for Timespace from time to time. Of course, I've only shopped at one record store since about 1998; Denver's Twist & Shout.

[Macfanforever]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

I don't either, except for Timespace from time to time. Of course, I've only shopped at one record store since about 1998; Denver's Twist & Shout.

I did find a boot Buckingham/Nicks CD at the local used cd shop years ago for about $25 dollars.

At the fleamarket I picked up about handful of the Belladonna,Wildheart,RAL,OSOM on Vinyl and cassettes.

Stevie's CD's are scarce over there.

[MikeInNV]

Originally Posted by sparky

I hope she hits the road for more solo shows after the Rod gigs, and from what I have heard it is likely she will. Of course she is touring this summer. That's what Stevie does. Naysayers, meet Stevie Nicks. Road warrior. Cliff dweller from the old school. Pounder of the boards with platforms or frankenboks in any shed or similar venue she can book from July to September almost every year since 19 f-ing 75. I am sure she is pleased to meet you. Get to know her. She tours and makes money, which we all need to do, and has fun. She loves performing and like she has often said, what the hell else is gonna do but play music? How is this news to anyone with a brain and an internet connection?

I for one am glad she tours all the time. I don't go to all of the shows I can. But I am thrilled she still can get out there and do it. I never thought in the old days she would still be at it and still have the ability to not only knock it out of the park on some days, but also be consistently good. Her hallmark for many years was inconsistency. Good for her. She is a workhorse. And she finally got it down to a reliable art.

As far as IYD being a flop - I don't think it was. It did not do as well as some hoped it would. Myself included. But the truth is the market has changed so much and continues to change on a daily basis. What is the real litmus test for an artist her age? It is very hard to say. It did better than most recent releases by artists from her generation. And her hip factor remains through the roof. She wouldn't get bookings on Ellen, AGT, The Voice, or any such big shows if the producers did not think people would watch. Not only do people watch, but her legend precedes her. There is a tremendous good will towards her in the business as well. People behind the scenes love her. She's a pro. She nails the rehearsals, does her bit, everyone has fun with her. The sales? Who cares? She got great reviews. She did a nice and well attended support tour. Those of us who are lifelong fans by and large loved the record. I even converted a few decades long naysayers who were moved to tears by the work on IYD. I think the project was a major victory.

She clearly does as well. And if she wants to keep pushing it, good on her. The songs are worth it. She should be proud. And if that means she bucks common sense and keeps touring behind it, I am right there with her. Say what you will about Stevie, she does whatever the hell she wants. For her own reasons. And she always has. I haven't always agreed with her decisions, and I am sure she couldn't give a rat's ass, but in this case I do agree. I love this record as much as she does. And I think it is some small miracle she is as good as she still is. I never expected her to be able to pull this off, so I am gonna celebrate it as long as she does.

This post makes me want to kiss you.

[APerfectLie]

Originally Posted by KarmaContestant

I don't either, except for Timespace from time to time. Of course, I've only shopped at one record store since about 1998; Denver's Twist & Shout.

I rarely find her stuff old stuff either. The last time I went to the record store, her vinyl section was completely empty and her CD section had seven USED copies of In Your Dreams, 1 used copy of Crystal Visions, and 1 used copy of Street Angel.