Grammy Awards 2012

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by bluefox4000

yes.....i asked the same question......to perfect for their age Pet Sounds.....the first album where I fell asleep during a listen.

Mick

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y. They're too old to sound that good. It HAD to be tracks.

Me too. I bought Pet Sounds BECAUSE of Lindsey's fandom.

Lindsey is WRONG! It blows goats.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

E.X.A.C.T.L.Y. They're too old to sound that good. It HAD to be tracks.

Me too. I bought Pet Sounds BECAUSE of Lindsey's fandom.

Lindsey is WRONG! It blows goats.

I think it's hard for anyone to sound that bad when you've got 300 people on stage singing and playing at the same time. I don't think they were lip synching at all, especially Brian Wilson. I am personally not a BB fan, largely due to their failure to evolve and sullying the brand. But I can definitely appreciate their golden era sound and Brian Wilson's orchestral approach to vocal harmony arrangement; nobody was doing 3- or 4-part harmonies like that in rock music. And you can clearly hear the BB influence in songs like "Sara" and "You Make Loving Fun." Oh, and of course, "Farmer's Daughter." And it goes without saying that bands like Crosy Stills Nash (& Young), The Byrds, The Mamas & the Papas, etc. would not have existed without the BB sound.

Oh, BTW... is it me, or was Mike Love really creepy looking/acting?

[poetinmyheart]

Really pleased for Bon Iver. A worthy winner.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I think it's hard for anyone to sound that bad when you've got 300 people on stage singing and playing at the same time. I don't think they were lip synching at all,

Oh, BTW... is it me, or was Mike Love really creepy looking/acting?

Like I said, I'd wager $50 that they were(not that we'll ever have proof). I actually just emailed my friend, who does sound for much bigger acts than I, to see if he's done the BB. He does a lot of casino stuff, and that's a typical BB venue....waiting to hear back from him.....

I DO do sound for touring acts(not that big, though), and I can tell you that about 80% of the newer acts, play along to tracks. I did sound 2 weeks ago, for a guy with the #1 country hit in the U.S., and sure enough, TRACKS. Extra keyboard parts, and all the background harmonies(the sound man plays the song on his laptop, and feeds it to the band's in ear monitors). A trained ear listening(especially since I have both of his albums, and have listened to them many times), can hear the extra harmonies, especially. The soundman does his best to keep it at a less than obvious level, but they're still there. Tracks are unfortunately common now.

Mike Love is the one with the ball cap???

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by RickRobert

Well it's in a different key to the studio version, and if she recorded a new version to lip-sync, I doubt she'd have left in the off notes...

Maybe that was part of it, because I immediately noticed a huge difference in the tone of Adele's voice last night. Missing was the subtle grittiness & that infamous break in her voice & vocals that is a huge endearing element & had become her trademark.

I saw her in one of her final concerts in Denver, Co (If not indeed the final one) at the end of May 2011 at a small venue holding maybe 2k (BlueBird landmark theatre). I think it may have been the last show before she cancelled her entire tour if memory serves correct. She commented that her doctors didn't recommend her doing the show, but she carried on despite their warnings & apparently strained her vocals to the point of having to cancel an entire year of touring, despite putting on a stellar vocal show that night. You would have never thought there was a thing wrong with her voice that evening, despite one or two bum notes - she sounded just like the record.

Last night at the Grammy's she did not sound like the record. Maybe it was nerves, Maybe it was a key change in the song, or perhaps she was taking no chances.But I think her tone has changed due to the node surgeries. And perhaps, just like Stevie in the early days, was singing incorrectly from her throat on occasion to attain that distinct sound. And now she's been coached to sing from her diaphragm to avoid further damage. Either way, no one can convince me she sounded the same. Her voice was still powerful, but some of the indelible nuances were noticeably (to this listener) absent.

[Jondalar]

Originally Posted by poetinmyheart

Really pleased for Bon Iver. A worthy winner.

I just downloaded his album. I like it, very mellow. Reminds me a little of Lindsey creating landscapes and painting pictures.

[Dodfather]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It blows goats.

Do you have proof?

I really like it in parts, especially Sloop John B, God Only Knows and Wouldn't It Be Nice.

[HejiraNYC]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Maybe that was part of it, because I immediately noticed a huge difference in the tone of Adele's voice last night. Missing was the subtle grittiness & that infamous break in her voice & vocals that is a huge endearing element & had become her trademark.

I was thinking the same exact thing- that she seemed to have lost the very quality that made her so distinct in the first place- that wheezy, raspy chortley-ness that gave her bluesy melodies some degree of conviction. For all we know, her before voice may have been a damaged voice. And now it's a decidedly conventional-sounding thing.

I can't really think of too many singers who have bounced back from vocal surgery unscathed... perhaps Rod Stewart (although, to be honest, how can you tell when his voice is messed up? ). Bonnie Tyler made an entire career around a botched throat operation. But Elton John never quite bounced back. And oh, poor Julie Andrews.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by Dodfather

Do you have proof?

I really like it in parts, especially Sloop John B, God Only Knows and Wouldn't It Be Nice.

It's one of my favorite expressions, okay?

Now tell me my favorite word?

I don't know how many chances Mick gave it, but I only gave it one. It just didn't do anything for me, so it's a dust collector now!

[bluefox4000]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It's one of my favorite expressions, okay?

Now tell me my favorite word?

I don't know how many chances Mick gave it, but I only gave it one. It just didn't do anything for me, so it's a dust collector now!

I gave it 3. And believe me.......to these ears it sucked. I have no idea why it's a so called classic. It's basically Brian Wilson stroking himself.

Mick

[KarmaContestant]

Originally Posted by Christopher

Maybe that was part of it, because I immediately noticed a huge difference in the tone of Adele's voice last night. Missing was the subtle grittiness & that infamous break in her voice & vocals that is a huge endearing element & had become her trademark.

I saw her in one of her final concerts in Denver, Co (If not indeed the final one) at the end of May 2011 at a small venue holding maybe 2k (BlueBird landmark theatre). I think it may have been the last show before she cancelled her entire tour if memory serves correct. She commented that her doctors didn't recommend her doing the show, but she carried on despite their warnings & apparently strained her vocals to the point of having to cancel an entire year of touring, despite putting on a stellar vocal show that night. You would have never thought there was a thing wrong with her voice that evening, despite one or two bum notes - she sounded just like the record.

Last night at the Grammy's she did not sound like the record. Maybe it was nerves, Maybe it was a key change in the song, or perhaps she was taking no chances.But I think her tone has changed due to the node surgeries. And perhaps, just like Stevie in the early days, was singing incorrectly from her throat on occasion to attain that distinct sound. And now she's been coached to sing from her diaphragm to avoid further damage. Either way, no one can convince me she sounded the same. Her voice was still powerful, but some of the indelible nuances were noticeably (to this listener) absent.

I was there as well! The night the incredible James Morrison opened for her. Truth be told, I only went to see James and decided at the last minute to stay for Adele - I'm so glad I did.

Edit - Oops, sorry - I saw her at the Bluebird in 2009 I believe, not 2011.

[mezzoforte]

Originally Posted by bluefox4000

I gave it 3. And believe me.......to these ears it sucked. I have no idea why it's a so called classic. It's basically Brian Wilson stroking himself.

Mick

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

It's one of my favorite expressions, okay?

Now tell me my favorite word?

I don't know how many chances Mick gave it, but I only gave it one. It just didn't do anything for me, so it's a dust collector now!

...

Seriously?

I...don't even know how to respond.

Yes, I realize music is subjective, but...seriously? You seriously heard "God Only Knows" and "Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)" and "Here Today" and "I'm Waiting for the Day" and "I Just Wasn't Made For these Times" and "Hang On To Your Ego" and think that?

I think it's the most flawless album of all time.



Seriously?

Originally Posted by HejiraNYC

I think it's hard for anyone to sound that bad when you've got 300 people on stage singing and playing at the same time. I don't think they were lip synching at all, especially Brian Wilson. I am personally not a BB fan, largely due to their failure to evolve and sullying the brand. But I can definitely appreciate their golden era sound and Brian Wilson's orchestral approach to vocal harmony arrangement; nobody was doing 3- or 4-part harmonies like that in rock music. And you can clearly hear the BB influence in songs like "Sara" and "You Make Loving Fun." Oh, and of course, "Farmer's Daughter." And it goes without saying that bands like Crosy Stills Nash (& Young), The Byrds, The Mamas & the Papas, etc. would not have existed without the BB sound.

Oh, BTW... is it me, or was Mike Love really creepy looking/acting?

MEGA creep. I have to rant about him to you. Soon.

[HomerMcvie]

Originally Posted by mezzoforte

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I think it's the most flawless album of all time.

Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance?

I will say though, that I'm very prejudiced against "surf music". As a small child, I remember my much older cousins listening to it, and I NEVER cared for any of it. So I went into Pet Sounds with extreme prejudice....

[mezzoforte]

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance?

I will say though, that I'm very prejudiced against "surf music". As a small child, I remember my much older cousins listening to it, and I NEVER cared for any of it. So I went into Pet Sounds with extreme prejudice....

Nary a song about surfing on Pet Sounds. That drove some in the band and many around them batty--Brian Wilson did everything he could to drive the band away from their winning formula of surfing and cruising songs.

Of course, the Beach Boys still have a very specific sound, and not everyone will love it. Music, as we all know, is wildly subjective. It's just hard for me to wrap my mind around the idea of not liking "God Only Knows"!

[MacFan92]

I can't stand Bruce Springsteen. It's because my dad would always play the same three Bruce Springsteen songs over and over in the car when I was growing up. Literally, the three songs were: Human Touch, Born In The USA, and Glory Days. So I really wasn't thrilled by his performance.

I don't like Bon Iver. For one thing, they aren't a "New" artist, they've put out two albums. And Justin Vernon rubbed me the wrong way with his acceptance speech.

I honestly thought Adele killed it. I know people are divided on her and her album, but I think it was great and very relatable. Hopefully I'll get to catch her on tour later this year if she goes on one.

Overall, it was a pretty decent show, with only a few God-awful performances.