Shiner or not?

[jellyman10]

There are other photos and footage of Stevie from this period and during the Rumours tour and up to Bella Donna really, where she's very thin, and you can see that her bone structure lends itself to a sort of sunken cheekbone look that might be what's happening here.

As coincidence would have it, this pic was posted by someone on Tumblr today, and I think it shows what I mean.

[ali101]

Nice interview - thanks. I dont recall seeing that on so it was enjoyable.

I think you are quite a hawkeye and definitley right about the bruise. In a great love, tempers flare since every wrong or damning word or action is one that cuts like a knife and the pain massive. Theres was a tempestuous relationship and Stevie herself is no angel freely admitting to getting him by the throat in the events that preceeded the Tango tour, with her getting slapped etc. That certainly wouldnt be a first.

Anyway they are all a bit sheepish in the interview and Stevie looks less than happy to be there at that time. They seem uncomfortable to me.

Thanks again for the vid!!

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by ali101

Nice interview - thanks. I dont recall seeing that on so it was enjoyable.

I think you are quite a hawkeye and definitley right about the bruise. In a great love, tempers flare since every wrong or damning word or action is one that cuts like a knife and the pain massive. Theres was a tempestuous relationship and Stevie herself is no angel freely admitting to getting him by the throat in the events that preceeded the Tango tour, with her getting slapped etc. That certainly wouldnt be a first.

Anyway they are all a bit sheepish in the interview and Stevie looks less than happy to be there at that time. They seem uncomfortable to me.

Thanks again for the vid!!

I noticed something seemed off when she showed up -- Lindsey leans into her pretty far, invading her space. He probably was silently questioning her whereabouts. And, later when he's talking about Fritz and asks her the year she is very hesitant. Lots of strange non verbal communication going on, imo.

[ali101]

Originally Posted by CADreaming

I noticed something seemed off when she showed up -- Lindsey leans into her pretty far, invading her space. He probably was silently questioning her whereabouts. And, later when he's talking about Fritz and asks her the year she is very hesitant. Lots of strange non verbal communication going on, imo.

Yes I agree they are very tense and it is John that pulls out the chair and looks like he maybe went to get Stevie for the interview? Does he drop some keys in front of her? She is definitely not happy at all.

We've all been there.

[jellyman10]

Strangely, although I do belong in the camp of people who think LB & SN's relationship was occasionally abusive, I still don't see a clear bruise on her face here, and I think their demeanour can also be explained by being tired or in a generally strained relationship or just because it was still in that period when, as Mick and others have said, Stevie didn't speak up for herself all that much. I mean, if Stevie showing up last, like John went to get her, indicates that she was sulking or covering up a shiner with make-up, what on earth are we to make of Christine not showing up at all?

[CADreaming]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

Strangely, although I do belong in the camp of people who think LB & SN's relationship was occasionally abusive, I still don't see a clear bruise on her face here, and I think their demeanour can also be explained by being tired or in a generally strained relationship or just because it was still in that period when, as Mick and others have said, Stevie didn't speak up for herself all that much. I mean, if Stevie showing up last, like John went to get her, indicates that she was sulking or covering up a shiner with make-up, what on earth are we to make of Christine not showing up at all?

Cat fight!

[AWomanWithAPast]

Ugh, I don't want to think about this one too much. If Lindsey put a bruise like that on her face, it would break my heart, no matter what she did or what happened before or since. So here's to hoping/believing that it's makeup, or lighting, or nothing, or absolutely anything other than someone hurting her.

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires

Wow, Stevie clearly wasn't yet the star of the band she would become!

Yeah, I think she was still hiding behind the others in the band at this point, still playing the role of the careful, baby sister. Just a short time later she would really spread her wings and come out front and center stage. It's interesting to watch this before she REALLY exploded as the front-woman star.

[Macfanforever]

This video was done way before the "Silver Springs" fight. Am I right.

[David]

Originally Posted by AWomanWithAPast

If Lindsey put a bruise like that on her face, it would break my heart, no matter what she did or what happened before or since.

He chased her down the street ... & then she chased him up the block & around the corner ... & then they bent each other over the hood of one of Mick's classic automobiles & screamed & slapped till they were both out of breath.

Finally, John said, "Why don't you just leave." But he meant leave the room.

[michelej1]

Originally Posted by jellyman10

what on earth are we to make of Christine not showing up at all?

Yes, I'm not quite ready to assume that she was too tired to appear based on John chasing her all night with a knife.

CADreaming, catfight is promising guess, but I'd think Chris would win and, thus, Stevie would be the no show.

Michele

[cliffdweller]

Originally Posted by michelej1

Yes, I'm not quite ready to assume that she was too tired to appear based on John chasing her all night with a knife.

Just in time for Halloween: a Fleetwood Mac slasher flick!

[ali101]

Wasn't christine having an affair then? Perhaps the interview wasnt really a priority!

[ali101]

Yes I was right - I think she didnt show becuase she was checking out the lighting rig with Curry Grant.

Here's the potted Mcvie history from the penguin:


"Thus began her career with Fleetwood Mac. Aside from making major contributions to all albums from 1971 on, Christine was
Fleetwood Mac, 1973
also an important part of the group's stage personality, and was a source of strength and stoicism throughout the many trials and pitfalls that befell the band. However, seeing her husband for nearly 24 hours a day for years began to be a real problem for them, and the drinking on the road didn't help matters: "John is not the most pleasant of people when he's drunk. Very belligerent. I was seeing more Hyde than Jekyll." She says that she and John were very happy for about three years, until the stress of their constant togetherness began to show: "We just saw so much of each other at work, at play and at home that it became very wearing on the relationship." Mick Fleetwood has stated that years after joining the band, when the marriage was under so much strain, Chris wondered if she had really made the right decision, although he doesn't feel that she would go back and do anything differently. According to a book written by Bob Brunning, around 1973, Chris had a 'barely concealed' affair with the group's producer, Martin Birch. For awhile she was pondering leaving the band to make a solo album with him, but this idea was squashed when Birch went back to his wife and the McVies decided to decided to give their rocky marriage another go.

In 1974, with guitarist and vocalist Bob Welch's encouragement, Fleetwood Mac decided to move to America. Christine was not too happy with this idea, as she loved the band's home, Benifold, and was very close to her family. (Her mother, Tee, had died in 1970, and her father had since re-married and fathered another son, Cyril.) She knew it was probably best for the Fleetwood Mac, however, so she agreed to a six month trial period. The McVies stayed at John Mayall's house in California for awhile before getting their own three room apartment in Malibu. (Interesting aside: While living with Mayall, John McVie joined a group of a different nature, called 'The Brain Damage Club'. According to Christine McVie, "In order to join, you had to dive off the third floor naked into the pool. I'm still amazed he didn't kill himself. Needless to say, I didn't join the club.") The McVies were still living in their small apartment when Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks joined the group in 1975. (Mick made sure Chris felt she could get along with Stevie before hiring them; nobody wanted a situation where two women were bickering back and forth...)

Things between John and Chris had gotten progressively worse, and by 1976 she'd had enough. While the band was on the road, the two began staying in separate rooms, and Chris began a relationship with the group's lighting director, Curry Grant. Mick Fleetwood writes: "I know that Chris felt very bad about it, because she hadn't
Lindsey Buckingham, Russ Titleman, & Christine McVie; Montreux, Switzerland, 1983
really stopped loving McVie. As a parting gift she had a huge golden ring, emblazoned with a noble penguin, made for him to show John that she still felt for him." Once the tour was over, Chris moved out of their house in Topanga and got a house of her own, where she lived with Curry; John went to live on a boat in Marina Del Ray. In 1977, she told Rolling Stone, "I still have a lot of love for John. As far as I'm concerned, it was him that stopped me loving him. He just constantly tested what limits of endurance I would go to...if he knew how much I still worry and care for him, I think he'd play on it." She says she was genuinely happy and "didn't feel weird" when John remarried, soon after their divorce was finalized, (although she did find it "a little strange" when he and his new wife bought her old house from her, and held their wedding there...)
"

[henryscutter]

There is a lot of weird body language in this clip between Stevie & Lindsey. I wish the camera was on them for the whole interview. He stares at her a lot and leans in close when she sits down. She slides her chair away from him and doesnt want anything to do with him. She wont even look at him until he ask her a direct question and then just nods like she doesnt want to say two words to him. What does it all mean? The mystery of the Mac