Are the concerts 100% live?

jeffs · #1 06-17-2003, 10:30 AM

I recently went to the Continental Arena show - it was awesome! I couldn't help but notice on several occasions that when Lindsey started beating the hell out of his guitar during the come and So Afraid solos that the solos continued perfectly without missing a note - meanwhile he was clawing away in a manner that did not make sense to the sound coming from his guitar. I found this odd and was curious if any of the performances were in some sense 'fake'. I am hoping it was the backup guitar players filling in, but it seemed very suspicious at times.

PollyThePenguin · #2 06-17-2003, 10:34 AM

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I am hoping it was the backup guitar players filling in, .

It obviously was.

seeknpeace · #3 06-17-2003, 10:36 AM

I am not sure and I have had the same question Jeff. I do know that he has back up guitar players, he always has, so I think that must be the way that it is done. As for lip syncing...welll...Stevie cannot remember the words well enough for that. She changed Goodbye Baby in DC, and is forever doing that..hahaha...

Miranda · #4 06-17-2003, 10:59 AM

Everybody uses pre-recorded tracks in live shows. I think it sucks but nobody cares anymore. Just don't lip sync to somebody else's vocals and you'll get a pass. As for the backup musicians, that's lame too if they do most of the playing.

strandinthewind · #5 06-17-2003, 11:07 AM

I think some of the vocals may be tracks as well. Not the leads, but maybe some harmony. I base this on Stevie's Letterman appearance during the Street Angel tour. You can definitelty hear Stevie doing a higher harmony over the lower lead she is actually singing. it is really apparent in the "Some I'm going away for a little while to remember how to feel" lines. They may have added this in post-production, but I thought I heard it in concert as well.

Livia · #6 06-17-2003, 11:21 AM

I don't like how they keep the phantom drummer dude completely HIDDEN behind Mick until they do the band intros. Cheap Trick used to do that w/ a keyboard player they had...

PollyThePenguin · #7 06-17-2003, 11:36 AM

Why they even NEED extra drummer(s) is beyond me. Isn't Mick powerful enough? Can't they just amp up his kit if he's not loud enough? They should re-name this tour the "Fleetwood Mac and Friends" Tour. It's getting so there's more friends than Macsters. Let's bring in Sheryl Crow and Babs Streisand and throw in a little Carrot Top and Bob Barker as well. I mean ---

strandinthewind · #8 06-17-2003, 12:25 PM

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. . .Cheap Trick used to do that w/ a keyboard player they had...

I lOVE Cheap Trick!!!!!!! and Stevie did some work with Robin Zander if I am not mistaken~!!!!!!

gypsysara · #9 06-17-2003, 12:38 PM

Im not sure what she did with Robin, Strand, but you are correct in that they did work together.

Most of the bands I see DONT use "tracks" "overdubs" whatever they are called... I wish they wouldnt either.

Tripped me out the first time I saw the TISL tour, how Stevie would have Bootylicious EO17 >TISL intro and you'd hear her -- but it wasnt her. Just the overdub track to start it off while she got onstage > Stop Draggin My Heart Around.

Livia · #10 06-17-2003, 12:50 PM

I have that Stevie/Robin Zander duet - can't think of the name of it right now, something about Secret....Grrr, I'll check it out when I go home for lunch...

CarneVaca · #11 06-17-2003, 01:11 PM

To the original question, it's highly unlikely that pre-recorded music is being used for Lindsey's solos. Same goes for the backup up guitarists. Solos are by nature improvisational and even songs like Go Your Own Way, which have become so familiar, will change from show to show because of the solos. When Lindsey is beating the crap out of the guitar, he is hitting it just at the right spot so that the sound he wants is coming out. If you hit the string at the fret with your left hand and do nothing with your right hand, you may still get certain sounds.

gldstwmn · #12 06-17-2003, 04:52 PM

While I don't think any of FM's show is progammed, I thought I did see Neale playing parts of one song while Lindsey was pawing his guitar in Columbus. I like the fact that FM has a percussionist and other backing musicians. I think it gives them a fuller sound but dosen't detract from their sound at all. A lot of artists use programmed parts for their shows. Van Halen used to do it for the intro to Jump. Why hire somebody to play keys for just one song? As for the two drummer thing, The Dead has two drummers, it's fun to watch them play. There are other bands that do this as well, although I can't recall who right now. And for a completely programmed show, one example would be the Spice Girls. Those chics never sang a live note (like you didn't already know that).

Stevie's performance of Stand Back on Solid Gold about 20 years ago was a live vocal over the rest of the studio track. Wonder how the band felt about that? I believe some of Aerosmith's show is programmed as well. I'm sure there are alot of others.

tamaraluvsFM · #13 06-17-2003, 05:18 PM

No doubt about it they are totally LIVE! I know they have some recordings of sounds that they cannot mimick, like for example, the extra sounds on Peacekeeper. But as for singing its all live. As for Lindsey and his guitar..there are two others playing in the back and during my first show I did see Ray Lindsey behind the scenes in the sound area, playing some backup perhaps.
But the Lindsman does most of it himself with those awesome hands and fingers of his...yum. Ok back to the subject...yes they are live.

Tamara

chiliD · #14 06-17-2003, 05:22 PM

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Van Halen used to do it for the intro to Jump.

When I saw VH on their first tour with Sammy, Eddie played the keyboard part live, with his guitar slung over his back...the only time he played GUITAR on the song was when he did the solo.(likewise, when I saw David Lee Roth on HIS first solo tour, he had our beloved Brett Tuggle playing keyboards..."Jump" was in his set list, then, too.)

Why would a band program "parts", then STILL spend money on hiring additional folks? Doesn't make sense. Well, come to think of it, I guess, from what I read, the marching band on "Tusk" is programmed, but I seriously doubt that anything else is.

As far as "what you see is not what you hear"...there's just so many things that guitar players can do to get certain sounds that just LOOK like they're not making those sounds, but they ARE.

strandinthewind · #15 06-17-2003, 07:10 PM

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. . . Stevie's performance of Stand Back on Solid Gold about 20 years ago was a live vocal over the rest of the studio track.

Stevie did the same for Edge of 17 in the live video she did for that.