The doc!!!

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by Merf
That was my favorite part as well. I loved how they showed the picture of the two of them in the studio while making the White album... and you hear Stevie's voice in the background and Lindsey's guitar. It really gives you such a sense of where they've been, where they are now, and where they are going as a musical duo. I thought, more than anything, this documentary brought everything full circle with them. Stevie once said that making this album and how the band is now, she and Lindsey are more like they were when they first joined Fleetwood Mac-- before things got so crazy and out of control. I thought adding that picture was a very poignant, sweet touch.

Right on. The picture was a sweet touch.

[cliffdweller]

Originally posted by diamondsnake
And what exactly did that one person mean saying Stevie has a dead-pan personality and almost doesn't have a personality at all?

yeah, I think the singing fish scene can put that sentiment to bed.

[stefan]

Originally posted by chiliD
Ummmm, I dunno...I kind of liked the version with BOTH Christine & Stevie singing the backgrounds.

Chili, I guess we both meant the same version? I was talking about the album version of SYHA- there are Stevie and Christine on background. The versions I knew before were
1) from the GOS sessions- with Christine
2) from the ACLU CD or GLAD award CD or so (don`t know exactly at the moment)- this version is slightly different from the GOS one. But these both versions are with Christine and without Stevie
Although I am not too happy with the Stevization of PK and esp. Say goodbye the addition of her vocals on the album version did improve the song a lot. Another point was a little different take on LB's vocals here. They sound better compared to the 2 abovementioned versions. These did not impress me back in the day when I first heard them. So is there a version I missed? Then into my basket with it.

[chiliD]

Originally posted by stefan
The versions I knew before were
1) from the GOS sessions- with Christine

Yeah.

Originally posted by stefan
2) from the ACLU CD or GLAD award CD or so (don`t know exactly at the moment)- this version is slightly different from the GOS one.

Wasn't that "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" from the GLAAD award CD and not SYHA? Lindsey's solo version of "Peacekeeper" is from the ACLU CD.


There's the version from the Best Buy disc from The Dance tour, that is significantly different from the GOS version.

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by teedee
All i will say is that i agree with how soda said it.. carne you have to see that the way you word thing s they do appear negative towards stevie. you did it again in this post by stating all stevies songs were rejects, and she didnt feel they were as good as lindsey first rate stuff.

The songs were rejects from other projects. I guess you missed the part where I said this doesn't mean they were necessarily bad songs. She herself must have felt that whatever she gave the band to start with fell short in some why, and that's why she went off the write more songs. I don't remember exactly what she said, but it happened.

the record company told lindsey this stuff will sell better as a fleetwood mac cd, not a solo cd, so looks like those first rate songs were already rejects by the record company, i believe he said that he was not a "brand" , remember.

Yeah, so what? The record company is interested in commercial crap, not quality music. Besides, Lindsey was never told that they wouldn't release his solo CD. They simply told him the record would sell better as a Fleetwood Mac CD. So it wasn't a decision about quality, as it never is. And look what's happened. It's not like they're selling millions with the record either.

carne needs the last word, so be it. i know where i stand and i stand behind it , i apologize to the board for letting this go on longer than it should have.

I don't need the last word. But if you're going to continue making comments that I feel require a reply, I will do so. This is a discussion board, and last time I checked, there was no limit as to how many times you can participate in a thread. There's no need to apologize to anyone for it. No one is forcing anyone else to read this.

[stefan]

Originally posted by chiliD

Wasn't that "Someone's Gotta Change Your Mind" from the GLAAD award CD and not SYHA? Lindsey's solo version of "Peacekeeper" is from the ACLU CD.


There's the version from the Best Buy disc from The Dance tour, that is significantly different from the GOS version.

Yes, you are right it was the Best Buy thing! I couldn't remember, but I knew it was on a rare CD. Both versions lacked something- on SYW it finally worked fine.

[stefan]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
This is a discussion board, and last time I checked, there was no limit as to how many times you can participate in a thread. [/B]

Damn Carne, I forgot to check that. Definitely a lack of preparation

[teedee]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
[B]The songs were rejects from other projects. I guess you missed the part where I said this doesn't mean they were necessarily bad songs. She herself must have felt that whatever she gave the band to start with fell short in some why, and that's why she went off the write more songs. I don't remember exactly what she said, but it happened.

[b]

Yeah, so what? The record company is interested in commercial crap, not quality music. Besides, Lindsey was never told that they wouldn't release his solo CD. They simply told him the record would sell better as a Fleetwood Mac CD. So it wasn't a decision about quality, as it never is. And look what's happened. It's not like they're selling millions with the record either.



I don't need the last word. But if you're going to continue making comments that I feel require a reply, I will do so. This is a discussion board, and last time I checked, there was no limit as to how many times you can participate in a thread. There's no need to apologize to anyone for it. No one is forcing anyone else to read this.

i know there is no rules about posting, its just that i feel this is gettin no where. you state they are rejects, it was never stated they were rejects, it wasnt said that way, she just wanted some new material on it and wanted to contribute that. and i never said that you said you thought those "rejects" were bad . Also i feel that if i was working on a solo for sooooo long and the record comp said what they said to him, thats pretty much saying , you know what lindsey its not going to happen. On the Doc. he was so set on having a double cd, he didnt care about losing any money, he wouldnt of minded if only 300,000 cds sold. well then why didnt he just put his solo out, if he didnt care about sales and if his record company was still gonna back him then why didnt he put it out after all those years. dont get me wrong i love love love lindsey, he is my fave guitarist, he is a great producer and i love some of his songs, and i would of loved for him to release a new solo, i loved out of the cradle. i think if there is another FM cd, i think that one will be more of a group effort, meaning, everyone will be in the studio together, working sharing together on new songs and again on the old ones. Remember, stevie was scheduled to release TISL and go out on tour, and when lindseys solo situation turned into a fleetwood mac project, he was left to work thru the songs stevie gave him cause basically his were all done at the time, except for adding her vocals on his cuts later on.
and the rest is history...

[wildangel]

Don't want to be a one hit wonder here So I will get back into this
It seems a lot of people here are saying they prefer the demo versions by both Stevie&Lindsey to the versions on SYW and I agree that some of the songs might have been better on respective solo albums. I think if they write new songs, make another cd and record it all at once ( soon after the tour is over) it will sound more cohesive. I think if they found the right co-producer it might take a little pressure off Lindsey and maybe they could get the cd out a little sooner That being said, I like SYW and will be happy with any new music we get
A little background on me: I enjoy both Lindsey and Stevie's music equally and will readily admit that they both have strong points and weaknesses
Isnt that weird?

[Johnny Stew]

Originally posted by CarneVaca
Stevie, on the other hand, had brought in mostly rejects from previous recordings. I am not saying those particular songs were good or bad. But they were rejects that for one reason or another didn't fit into recordings that had already been done. And she herself obviously felt the songs perhaps weren't quite up to par with Lindsey's first-rate stuff and went back to the writing process to come up with some new stuff. Anyway, she has said something along those lines.

I think it's stretching it a bit to say that Stevie's songs... despite the fact that they were pulled from the vaults... weren't "up to par with Lindsey's first-rate stuff."

I think songs like "Smile At You," "Goodbye Baby," and "Running Through The Garden" prove themselves to be far more than mere "rejects."
"Gypsy" was originally intended for 'Bella Donna,' before Stevie decided it would make a better Fleetwood Mac song... and I don't think anyone considers that masterpiece to be a "reject" either.

Stevie has said on many occasions that certain songs... no matter how much she loves them, or how proud she is of them... just don't fit the feel of certain albums. So instead of including something that might get lost in the shuffle, she'll pull it for another time and album, where it can have a place of honor (my wording, not hers).

"Thrown Down," for instance, given that it was written about Lindsey during 'The Dance' tour, Stevie decided that it would make a much better Mac song than a solo song, so she pulled it from the running for 'TISL.'

Of all of the songs that she has in her vaults, she hand-picked 17 that she thought would fit alongside Lindsey's songs, as well as supply certain textures that would help round out the album.
Which is not the least bit akin to just throwing the band some rejects.

In regards to her writing the "Phoenix Four," she has said that she felt the need to write some additional songs because of the experiences she had in the time the album was being recorded.
As a writer, she had new things she needed to say, and she knew that it needed to be done in a timely fashion.

Certainly not because her songs weren't on par with Lindsey's (an opinion for which I'll just consider the source ).

By the way, I don't at all feel that her material brings Lindsey's down. In fact, I totally believe that Stevie's songs added textures that Lindsey's album would have lacked otherwise... thus elevating the project.

I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if about 500,000-600,000 of 'Say You Will's' 810,827 albums sold, could be attributed to "the Stevie Factor."

[DownOnRodeo]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I totally believe that Stevie's songs added textures that Lindsey's album would have lacked otherwise... thus elevating the project.

I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if about 500,000-600,000 of 'Say You Will's' 810,827 albums sold, could be attributed to "the Stevie Factor."

Amen bro.

[teedee]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I think it's stretching it a bit to say that Stevie's songs... despite the fact that they were pulled from the vaults... weren't "up to par with Lindsey's first-rate stuff."

I think songs like "Smile At You," "Goodbye Baby," and "Running Through The Garden" prove themselves to be far more than mere "rejects."
"Gypsy" was originally intended for 'Bella Donna,' before Stevie decided it would make a better Fleetwood Mac song... and I don't think anyone considers that masterpiece to be a "reject" either.

Stevie has said on many occasions that certain songs... no matter how much she loves them, or how proud she is of them... just don't fit the feel of certain albums. So instead of including something that might get lost in the shuffle, she'll pull it for another time and album, where it can have a place of honor (my wording, not hers).

"Thrown Down," for instance, given that it was written about Lindsey during 'The Dance' tour, Stevie decided that it would make a much better Mac song than a solo song, so she pulled it from the running for 'TISL.'

Of all of the songs that she has in her vaults, she hand-picked 17 that she thought would fit alongside Lindsey's songs, as well as supply certain textures that would help round out the album.
Which is not the least bit akin to just throwing the band some rejects.

In regards to her writing the "Phoenix Four," she has said that she felt the need to write some additional songs because of the experiences she had in the time the album was being recorded.
As a writer, she had new things she needed to say, and she knew that it needed to be done in a timely fashion.

Certainly not because her songs weren't on par with Lindsey's (an opinion for which I'll just consider the source ).

By the way, I don't at all feel that her material brings Lindsey's down. In fact, I totally believe that Stevie's songs added textures that Lindsey's album would have lacked otherwise... thus elevating the project.

I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if about 500,000-600,000 of 'Say You Will's' 810,827 albums sold, could be attributed to "the Stevie Factor."

AMEN!

[CarneVaca]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I think it's stretching it a bit to say that Stevie's songs... despite the fact that they were pulled from the vaults... weren't "up to par with Lindsey's first-rate stuff."

You can call getting fired an extended vacation, but it's still getting fired. You can call a rejected song whatever you want, but it's still a reject. And because it was rejected from a certain project does not mean song is bad. For the third time.

As far as whether Stevie's stuff is up to par with Lindsey's, I have been intrigued with some comments on these very boards from Stevie fans who say they like Lindsey's songs on SYW better than Stevie's. As for myself, the two gems on SYW from Stevie are Goodbye Baby and Everybody Finds Out. Garden (too 80s), Silver Girl (too crappy) and Smile at You (can't get past the atrocious grammar in the chorus) I don't even listen to. Thrown Down is cool. SWY is catchy once you get to the chorus, but those two-note verses are a little grating. Illume, despite my problems with it, has a certain charm.

Did Stevie pull more buyers to the stores? Sure, but clearly not nearly as many as they were expecting. Is she pulling people to the concerts? I'd say yes, but I have to wonder how much Lindsey's showmanship on the current tour has played a role in filling the arenas. I'm even planning to go to a show now, even though I had decided not to, and it's strictly because of Lindsey (of course, it would be anyway).

Anyway, this thread is becoming tiresome.

Let's dance.

(A quarter for whomever gets that reference.)

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I think it's stretching it a bit to say that Stevie's songs... despite the fact that they were pulled from the vaults... weren't "up to par with Lindsey's first-rate stuff."

I think songs like "Smile At You," "Goodbye Baby," and "Running Through The Garden" prove themselves to be far more than mere "rejects."
"Gypsy" was originally intended for 'Bella Donna,' before Stevie decided it would make a better Fleetwood Mac song... and I don't think anyone considers that masterpiece to be a "reject" either.

Stevie has said on many occasions that certain songs... no matter how much she loves them, or how proud she is of them... just don't fit the feel of certain albums. So instead of including something that might get lost in the shuffle, she'll pull it for another time and album, where it can have a place of honor (my wording, not hers).

"Thrown Down," for instance, given that it was written about Lindsey during 'The Dance' tour, Stevie decided that it would make a much better Mac song than a solo song, so she pulled it from the running for 'TISL.'

Of all of the songs that she has in her vaults, she hand-picked 17 that she thought would fit alongside Lindsey's songs, as well as supply certain textures that would help round out the album.
Which is not the least bit akin to just throwing the band some rejects.

In regards to her writing the "Phoenix Four," she has said that she felt the need to write some additional songs because of the experiences she had in the time the album was being recorded.
As a writer, she had new things she needed to say, and she knew that it needed to be done in a timely fashion.

Certainly not because her songs weren't on par with Lindsey's (an opinion for which I'll just consider the source ).

By the way, I don't at all feel that her material brings Lindsey's down. In fact, I totally believe that Stevie's songs added textures that Lindsey's album would have lacked otherwise... thus elevating the project.

I also wouldn't be the least bit surprised if about 500,000-600,000 of 'Say You Will's' 810,827 albums sold, could be attributed to "the Stevie Factor."

That was a very refreshing post.

And I agree Stevie is what made people buy the album. Without her picture on the cover and her name on that little sticker (that says 18 brand new songs featuring stevie nicks...) the album wouldn't have sold much. I don't even know if I would have purchased it, because I am more a Stevie fan then a FM fan.

And I think her material is stronger then Lindsey's strange songs (e.g. Red Rover, Come, Murrow) wich are nice to listen to from time to time, but Stevie's more down to earth songs are what gives this album its heart.

[diamondsnake]

Originally posted by CarneVaca


Did Stevie pull more buyers to the stores? Sure, but clearly not nearly as many as they were expecting. Is she pulling people to the concerts? I'd say yes, but I have to wonder how much Lindsey's showmanship on the current tour has played a role in filling the arenas. I'm even planning to go to a show now, even though I had decided not to, and it's strictly because of Lindsey (of course, it would be anyway).

I think Stevie should have 90% of the credit for getting people to come to the shows. I know everyone will disagree, but Stevie will go down in history for her witchy persona on stage and that's what most people want to experience.