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Old 01-30-2013, 12:41 PM
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This is a UK charts company. I think its close to what the charts would look like worldwide. I remember several sites saying that the two really BIG worldwide hits from Tango in the Night were Everywhere and Little Lies. Those songs made a big impact that year across the world so its not surprising. I think Little Lies may have the most youtube hits.

Stevie has had problems in Europe. Apparantly, at one time, she thought they wanted the earlier version of mac and not her over there.
Stevie (with Fleetwood Mac anyway) has had the least success with her singles in the UK top 40 of the Rumours line-up.

Dreams - reached #24 in 1977.
Sara - reached only #37 in 1979.

Lindsey's songs have done pretty well -

Go Your Own Way #38
Tusk #6
Oh Diane #9
Big Love #9.


Chris -

Say You Love Me - #40
Don't Stop - #32
Little Lies - #5
Everywhere - #4


The Dance didn't do that well here so not surprised that there's nothing from that. I think over a quarter of TITN's overall sales came from the UK which maybe explains why there are three songs from that album.

Landslide is the one I'm most surprised to be there really as it was never a hit here.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:55 PM
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Stevie (with Fleetwood Mac anyway) has had the least success with her singles in the UK top 40 of the Rumours line-up.

Dreams - reached #24 in 1977.
Sara - reached only #37 in 1979.

Lindsey's songs have done pretty well -

Go Your Own Way #38
Tusk #6
Oh Diane #9
Big Love #9.


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Say You Love Me - #40
Don't Stop - #32
Little Lies - #5
Everywhere - #4


The Dance didn't do that well here so not surprised that there's nothing from that. I think over a quarter of TITN's overall sales came from the UK which maybe explains why there are three songs from that album.

Landslide is the one I'm most surprised to be there really as it was never a hit here.
Why don't they like her over there?
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:17 PM
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Why don't they like her over there?
They do. Rooms on Fire went to number 16 in the UK Charts when it was released.

Tango was, as has been said, huge in the UK, hence the singles from that did particularly well.
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Why don't they like her over there?
i think they mostly just don't know about her.

when you watch one of those VH1 one-hit wonder shows, they have her as one of the one-hit wonders there.
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i think they mostly just don't know about her.

when you watch one of those VH1 one-hit wonder shows, they have her as one of the one-hit wonders there.
OMG I'm sure they no about her. Rumours was a hit over there and so was Tango.
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Hello! UK calling!

Of course we know about Stevie. But she didn't really tour Europe in the 80s whereas she did tours of America. As a result, the band stuff is always more popular.

We're well aware of who Stevie Nicks is!
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Of course we know about Stevie. But she didn't really tour Europe in the 80s versus her tours of America. As a result, the band stuff is always more popular.

We're well aware of who Stevie Nicks is.
Well she didn't tour, because she didn't think you guys liked her over there.
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Well she didn't tour, because she didn't think you guys liked her over there.
Since she's never been a favourite of mine, I can't say I was terribly bothered. Each to his own!
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i think they mostly just don't know about her.

when you watch one of those VH1 one-hit wonder shows, they have her as one of the one-hit wonders there.
I agree.I think that was the issue.Thats like the artists from UK and Australia and other counties go unnoticed in the states and don't get radio and TV exposure and their tunes don't register on the charts .

There is alot of those European artist I love but they never hit the charts in the USA and never bothered to tour here.

David Haselhoff is a hit in Germany.
Jim Nabors {Gomer Pyle} is a hit in some counties .


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Well she didn't tour, because she didn't think you guys liked her over there.

That could be why and also cost of traveling abroad with the crew.

I'm glad she does make and effort to pop in over there at times.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:41 PM
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Why don't they like her over there?
I'm not sure what the problem was really. She has had a bit of success with her solo work as others have said, with 'Rooms On Fire' doing well. Lindsey, if anyone though, is surely less well known then her and yet his songs with the band did better. Even his solo single 'Trouble' charted higher than all of Stevie's Mac songs except Dreams.

I'm surprised that Gypsy and Sara weren't bigger hits as they're great songs.

Their biggest success in terms of singles charting was the Tango era and I don't think Stevie was at her best on that album - but I was still surprised that Seven Wonders wasn't a hit as it got tons of airplay

I think the band are seen more as an 'album' band here anyway. I doubt Stevie will lose any sleep over it
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Stevie has had problems in Europe. Apparantly, at one time, she thought they wanted the earlier version of mac and not her over there.
Really? Probably she was blind when she sang before 30,000 souls at the Munich Olympic Horse Riding stadium or the 35,000 fans in Frankfurt. And still blind during the 6 dates at Wembley for total of 48,000 british.. all of that during the Tusk tour. . Blind or cocaine paranoia?

Maybe she wasn't the most popular member, but wanting the earlier lineups instead of the Rumours one? I'm not sure. My point is that probably old blues days fans wanted more the british Fleetwood Mac lineup, but in the late 70s I think there were lot of new younger fans of the current Fleetwood Mac.
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Jim Nabors {Gomer Pyle} is a hit in some counties .
I see he's getting married. He's in his eighties. His deep singing voice always came as such a surprise, compared to his speaking voice -- which he probably made higher than it is to play Gomer.

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Landslide is the one I'm most surprised to be there really as it was never a hit here.
But it's a Fleetwood Mac classic. It's been featured in concerts since the 1970s, it's been featured in hit films, hit TV shows, it's played on the radio, other artists have performed it, it's been talked about a lot in music magazines. I'm certainly not surprised to see it in the top 10, even in the UK.

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Hello! UK calling!

Of course we know about Stevie. But she didn't really tour Europe in the 80s whereas she did tours of America. As a result, the band stuff is always more popular.

We're well aware of who Stevie Nicks is!
Stevie toured Europe in 1989 and the tour was a success from I've read. She managed to play Wembley twice as well as Birmingham NEC Arena which is pretty good going. I guess a few would argue that the tour was a success because it was on the back of the hugely successful Tango in the Night and Fleetwood Mac's successful tour just a few years prior.



I remember reading an article about Fleetwood Mac years ago and Stevie talked about being ignored by British journalists when they interviewed the band during promotional trips in the 1970s. She went on to mention that she didn't really understand why she had to be there if they weren't going to listen to what she had to say.


I think some Fleetwood Mac fans in the UK do resent what Fleetwood Mac went on to become in the 1970s. The original blues incarnation of the group were big in the UK and scored a string of hit singles and albums on the chart. Some fans do see Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham as the reason why Fleetwood Mac morphed into a soft rock band. The Bob Welch era of the band didn't chart in the UK which is probably why some UK fans aren't aware that it was during this period that the California sound was introduced and not just when Stevie and Lindsey joined. People in the UK see Fleetwood Mac as having two identities - the Peter Green line-up and the Rumours line-up. This has never really been a big deal in the US as Fleetwood Mac never broke through into mainstream popularity until 1975/6. I might get some stick for saying this and that's fine, but I believe that if Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham hadn't joined Fleetwood Mac then the band would be just another one of those nostalgic acts that tour theaters in the UK.


As for Stevie Nicks and her solo career, I don't think the sound on her earlier solo releases was as popular here in the UK as it was in the US. Her earlier albums, especially the first three, have a very American sound to them and I don't think tracks like Edge of Seventeen, Stand Back, I Can't Wait and Talk to Me were ever destined to become hits in the UK. Rooms on Fire, at least to me, has more of a Fleetwood Mac sound and may be the reason why it became successful here in the UK. Plus it came off the back of TITN. Stevie's lack of touring here is a major gripe of mine. She could easily tour successfully here today if she really wanted to, plenty of smaller bands head over here without hits under their belt and sell out shows. If Lindsey Buckingham can do it then so can Stevie. In Your Dreams had its second highest chart position in the UK and she still didn't tour here. It really Pissed me off that did.

It just goes to show you that chart positions mean bugger all. Dreams, Sara, Rhiannon and Gypsy were never major hits on the UK charts and are now regarded as Fleetwood Mac classics. Oh Diane, which made the 10 in the UK in 1982, is largely forgotten.

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Well in the early 80s she got lot of peruvian fans...
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But it's a Fleetwood Mac classic. It's been featured in concerts since the 1970s, it's been featured in hit films, hit TV shows, it's played on the radio, other artists have performed it, it's been talked about a lot in music magazines. I'm certainly not surprised to see it in the top 10, even in the UK.



Stevie toured Europe in 1989 and the tour was a success from I've read. She managed to play Wembley twice as well as Birmingham NEC Arena which is pretty good going. I guess a few would argue that the tour was a success because it was on the back of the hugely successful Tango in the Night and Fleetwood Mac's successful tour just a few years prior.



I remember reading an article about Fleetwood Mac years ago and Stevie talked about being ignored by British journalists when they interviewed the band during promotional trips in the 1970s. She went on to mention that she didn't really understand why she had to be there if they weren't going to listen to what she had to say.


I think some Fleetwood Mac fans in the UK do resent what Fleetwood Mac went on to become in the 1970s. The original blues incarnation of the group were big in the UK and scored a string of hit singles and albums on the chart. Some fans do see Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham as the reason why Fleetwood Mac morphed into a soft rock band. The Bob Welch era of the band didn't chart in the UK which is probably why some UK fans aren't aware that it was during this period that the California sound was introduced and not just when Stevie and Lindsey joined. People in the UK see Fleetwood Mac as having two identities - the Peter Green line-up and the Rumours line-up. This has never really been a big deal in the US as Fleetwood Mac never broke through into mainstream popularity until 1975/6. I might get some stick for saying this and that's fine, but I believe that if Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham hadn't joined Fleetwood Mac then the band would be just another one of those nostalgic acts that tour theaters in the UK.


As for Stevie Nicks and her solo career, I don't think the sound on her earlier solo releases was as popular here in the UK as it was in the US. Her earlier albums, especially the first three, have a very American sound to them and I don't think tracks like Edge of Seventeen, Stand Back, I Can't Wait and Talk to Me were ever destined to become hits in the UK. Rooms on Fire, at least to me, has more of a Fleetwood Mac sound and may be the reason why it became successful here in the UK. Plus it came off the back of TITN. Stevie's lack of touring here is a major gripe of mine. She could easily tour successfully here today if she really wanted to, plenty of smaller bands head over here without hits under their belt and sell out shows. If Lindsey Buckingham can do it then so can Stevie. In Your Dreams had its second highest chart position in the UK and she still didn't tour here. It really Pissed me off that did.

It just goes to show you that chart positions mean bugger all. Dreams, Sara, Rhiannon and Gypsy were never major hits on the UK charts and are now regarded as Fleetwood Mac classics. Oh Diane, which made the 10 in the UK in 1982, is largely forgotten.
You make some great points there Sorcerer, and in no way was I trying to put Stevie down - I'm just baffled as to why the most popular member of the band hasn't had more success with her Mac songs. As you say, Gypsy and Sara are so much better than Oh Diane (only my opinion) and yet they flopped and Oh Diane made the top 10!

Good point too about Landslide, I can see why it's there now having taken into account what you said.

There is definitely a certain section of Brits who do resent the post Peter Green line-ups and the more pop/rock sound that Lindsey and Stevie added. I have argued many times with people about it but they just dismiss anything if Peter wasn't involved - which is their loss as far as I'm concerned. Only one PG era song makes that list though so the Rumours era band clearly has a massive following here.
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