Civil rights and gay pride parade

ajmccarrell · #1 10-07-2008, 12:09 PM

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=57022

Here's a story about firemen who were ordered to participate in a pride parade. Given the position that many of you took on the issue about whether or not doctors should be allowed to refuse certain types of care if it violated their conscience, do you agree with the firemen here, or do you think they should just shut up about it, and why? I'm really curious here. To me, it appears to be the same issue of personal freedom, what do the rest of you think?

GoS · #2 10-07-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=57022

Here's a story about firemen who were ordered to participate in a pride parade. Given the position that many of you took on the issue about whether or not doctors should be allowed to refuse certain types of care if it violated their conscience, do you agree with the firemen here, or do you think they should just shut up about it, and why? I'm really curious here. To me, it appears to be the same issue of personal freedom, what do the rest of you think?

I didn't read the article, but don't think that anyone should be forced to do something like what you described. We all don't have to support it, but we should at least respect it.

Johnny Stew · #3 10-07-2008, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by GoS

I didn't read the article, but don't think that anyone should be forced to do something like what you described. We all don't have to support it, but we should at least respect it.

What the WorldNetDaily article unsurprisingly failed to note was the fact that firefighters in San Diego are always asked first to volunteer to participate in a parade, and then, if there are no volunteers -- or not enough -- then firefighters are assigned.

This is not just true of gay pride parades -- this is the same protocol the department uses for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day parades, St. Patrick's Day parades, and various other "special interest" parades.

Instead, the article focused on "another example of how radical homosexual activists in positions of authority force their agenda on unwilling citizens."

Man, folks sure are afraid of us sissies!

strandinthewind · #4 10-07-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

. . . Man, folks sure are afraid of us sissies!

Show me your hose

Steviefan49 · #5 10-07-2008, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Show me your hose

OMG.. I just wet myself laughing.. Good one!

Steviefan49 · #6 10-07-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

What the WorldNetDaily article unsurprisingly failed to note was the fact that firefighters in San Diego are always asked first to volunteer to participate in a parade, and then, if there are no volunteers -- or not enough -- then firefighters are assigned.

This is not just true of gay pride parades -- this is the same protocol the department uses for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day parades, St. Patrick's Day parades, and various other "special interest" parades.

Instead, the article focused on "another example of how radical homosexual activists in positions of authority force their agenda on unwilling citizens."

Man, folks sure are afraid of us sissies!

You know, I wasn't going to say anything, but doesn't anyone have a clue that Stevie has a "LOT" of gay fans who read other threads too? LOL.. Whenever I see any articles of Tele- Evangelist stuff and people supporting "anti-gay" movements, it just makes me want to scream.. so as a rule, I just hit the "delete" key and go on.. I just don't get it.. There are all types of people in the world, and I guess that's what makes the world go round you know?

ajmccarrell · #7 10-07-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

What the WorldNetDaily article unsurprisingly failed to note was the fact that firefighters in San Diego are always asked first to volunteer to participate in a parade, and then, if there are no volunteers -- or not enough -- then firefighters are assigned.

This is not just true of gay pride parades -- this is the same protocol the department uses for Martin Luther King, Jr. Day parades, St. Patrick's Day parades, and various other "special interest" parades.

Instead, the article focused on "another example of how radical homosexual activists in positions of authority force their agenda on unwilling citizens."

Man, folks sure are afraid of us sissies!

Are you saying that a pride parade is on the same level as an MLK parade, St. Patrick's Day, Thanksgiving, etc? Just curious. I'm just plain against the idea of forced volunteerism of anything. I wouldn't want firefighters to be forcibly volunteered for Mardi Gras either, as a lot of stuff that would offend your average church-going folk happens there too.

Johnny Stew · #8 10-07-2008, 01:58 PM

WorldNetDaily is run by an Evangelical Christian (Joseph Farah) who has referred to homosexuality as "aberrant sexual behavior" and is constantly railing against what he calls "the gay agenda" -- all of which informs the many & numerous anti-gay "articles" he posts (on WorldNetDaily and elsewhere).

If you're going to ask us to read an article, I suggest linking to a website that's not antagonistic and biased towards the very people with whom you're trying to have a discussion.

Although I'm not entirely convinced that a legitimate discussion is what you were really looking for.

ajmccarrell · #9 10-07-2008, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

WorldNetDaily is run by an Evangelical Christian (Joseph Farah) who has referred to homosexuality as "aberrant sexual behavior" and is constantly railing against what he calls "the gay agenda" -- all of which informs the many & numerous anti-gay "articles" he posts (on WorldNetDaily and elsewhere).

If you're going to ask us to read an article, I suggest linking to a website that's not antagonistic and biased towards the very people with whom you're trying to have a discussion.

Although I'm not entirely convinced that a legitimate discussion is what you were really looking for.

I wasn't aware of who runs it, it was the first article I found on it that wasn't a blog after I heard about it on the radio. I just thought the situation was eerily similar to the one about doctors and I was wondering if the other side of the position was consistent on this and why.

ashton · #10 10-07-2008, 04:18 PM

Nice, an "article" from one of the whackiest sites found on the internet, provided by the resident bigot back from his latest time-out.

Anything for attention.

ajmccarrell · #11 10-07-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ashton

Nice, an "article" from one of the whackiest sites found on the internet, provided by the resident bigot back from his latest time-out.

Anything for attention.

I just reported your post. I wasn't trying to be offensive here, but start a civil discussion on the subject of people being forced to do one thing or another in one's occupation; whether you're a doctor that is not willing to perform certain procedures or a firefighter who doesn't want to march in a parade.

I would appreciate it if you would refrain from personal attacks. I will not attack back, I will simply report you to the moderators.

ashton · #12 10-07-2008, 04:29 PM

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Richard B · #13 10-07-2008, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ajmccarrell

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=57022

Here's a story about firemen who were ordered to participate in a pride parade. Given the position that many of you took on the issue about whether or not doctors should be allowed to refuse certain types of care if it violated their conscience, do you agree with the firemen here, or do you think they should just shut up about it, and why? I'm really curious here. To me, it appears to be the same issue of personal freedom, what do the rest of you think?

They should be ordered regardless of their opinion. I thought the idea behind a fireman is to save lives. That's their job. If they don't like saving lives, time for a career change.

For example, what right would a fireman have if they were rescuing a person from a burning building and realized the person was gay or black or (insert whatver)? Do they have the right to say, "well I don't believe in gays, so go find your own way out." I don't think so.

Serve and protect everybody and keep your judgements at home.

GoS · #14 10-07-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard B

Do they have the right to say, "well I don't believe in gays, so go find your own way out." I don't think so.

Well, I think that this person needs to look around and start believing, I mean it is one thing to not agree, but to not believe they exist, that's just outragous.

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

But really, You don't think that they could have found other people to assign, people who aren't against it? Not nesicarly supporters, but someone who won't sue you because of it. Besides, whether or not it's right, why would it be an issue? I wouldn't assume that any fireman working one of the parades was automatically gay. But that's just me.

ajmccarrell · #15 10-07-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by GoS

Well, I think that this person needs to look around and start believing, I mean it is one thing to not agree, but to not believe they exist, that's just outragous.

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

But really, You don't think that they could have found other people to assign, people who aren't against it? Not nesicarly supporters, but someone who won't sue you because of it. Besides, whether or not it's right, why would it be an issue? I wouldn't assume that any fireman working one of the parades was automatically gay. But that's just me.

I won't appear in any parade that glorifies public sexuality, period. If I am ordered to and refuse and am ultimately fired, you bet I'll sue. I have a right to refuse to do things outside the scope of my job and I will not tolerate someone else telling me what sort of values system I am to have. Why isn't anyone here concerned that the fireman have a right to not be asked to do things outside of fighting fires? Whether or not they save people is NOT the issue, whether the fire chief has a right to force her value system on someone else is clearly the issue. They sued over being forced to attend and participate in a parade that violated their civil rights. They were not asking to leave people in burning buildings. Where did you even come up with that? That is such a bigoted thing to say. It shows a certain phobia of religious people and a glaring prejudice and bigotry that assumes that all religious people want to kill gays, when all they asked for was to have the right to not be forced into participating in it.