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Old 05-10-2007, 08:43 AM
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Unhappy Something depressing I just realized

I just realized that in the same period of time since Say You Will came out, Fleetwood Mac released six albums (Future Games, Bare Trees, Penguin, Mystery To Me, Heroes Are Hard To Find, and Fleetwood Mac) and had five lineup changes.

What have we gotten in the last four years? A fairly average live concert DVD, another greatest hits CD from Stevie, lots of confusing doublespeak, and a solo album that music critics went gaga ape**** over but couldn't make an impression on the general public.

Boo.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:09 AM
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I just realized that in the same period of time since Say You Will came out, Fleetwood Mac released six albums (Future Games, Bare Trees, Penguin, Mystery To Me, Heroes Are Hard To Find, and Fleetwood Mac) and had five lineup changes.

What have we gotten in the last four years? A fairly average live concert DVD, another greatest hits CD from Stevie, lots of confusing doublespeak, and a solo album that music critics went gaga ape**** over but couldn't make an impression on the general public.

Boo.

I don't think it has been all that bad! Don't forget the marathon SYW tour, a marathon tour from Lindsey, a number of mini-tours from Stevie, a sublime solo album from Christine and a bajillion unreleased/alternate tracks on the reissues. I think it has been a great time to be a Fleetwood Mac fan- much better than the mid 90s drought when hardly anything worthwhile was going on.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:20 AM
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^^

I tend to agree. Plus, SYW was a double album, esp. if you count the two extra songs on the DVD-R.
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Old 05-10-2007, 09:45 AM
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yep. I agree too. Stevie never stops working, really. to be their age and to have accomplished as much as they have, I'm thankful to have anything.

don't get me wrong, I'd love a helluva lot more and more than just "commercial" -
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Old 05-12-2007, 12:03 AM
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I think it has been a great time to be a Fleetwood Mac fan- much better than the mid 90s drought when hardly anything worthwhile was going on.
Maybe compared to what the Eagles have been doing. If you take it back even further, since 1995, Fleetwood Mac has only released two studio albums and a live album. Just going by the "Rumours" band, there have only been four solo albums of new material.

Compare that to another band I really like, Guided By Voices (who were lead by vocalist -and fellow Dayton native- Robert Pollard):

GUIDED BY VOICES
ALBUMS:
1995 - Alien Lanes
1996 - Under the Bushes, Under the Stars
1996 - Tonics and Twisted Chasers
1997 - Mag Earwhig!
1999 - Do the Collapse
2001 - Isolation Drills
2002 - Universal Truths and Cycles
2003 - Earthquake Glue
2004 - Half Smiles of the Decomposed

EPs (some were almost long enough to be LPs):
1995 - Tigerbomb
1996 - Sunfish Holy Breakfast
1996 - Plantations of Pale Pink
1997 - Wish in One Hand...
1999 - Plugs For The Program
2000 - Hold On Hope
2000 - Dayton, Ohio-19 Something and 5
2001 - Daredevil Stamp Collector: Do The Collapse B-sides
2002 - The Pipe Dreams Of Instant Prince Whippet

ROBERT POLLARD SOLO
1996 - Not in My Airforce
1998 - Waved Out
1999 - Kid Marine
1999 - Speak Kindly of Your Volunteer Fire Department (with Doug Gillard)
2001 - Choreographed Man of War (billed as "Robert Pollard and the Soft Rock Renegades")
2003 - Motel of Fools
2004 - Fiction Man
2005 - Music From "Bubble"
2005 - Zoom (EP)
2005 - Relaxation of the Asshole
2006 - From a Compound Eye
2006 - Normal Happiness
2006 - Moon (live EP)
2007 - Meet the King: Asshole 2
2007 - Silverfish Trivia
2007 - Standard Gargoyle Decisions

FADING CAPTAIN SERIES (Pollard's self-financed and released series that were released both under his own name, and a wide variety of pseudonyms.)
Acid Ranch:
2002 - Some Of The Magic Syrup Was Preserved
2005 - As Forever: A Manifesto Of Fractured Imagination And Wreckless Living

Airport 5:
2001 - Tower in the Fountain of Sparks
2002 - Life Starts Here

Circus Devils:
2001 - Ringworm Interiors
2002 - The Harold Pig Memorial
2003 - Pinball Mars
2005 - Five
2007 - Sgt. Disco

Go Back Snowball:
2002 - Calling Zero

Hazzard Hotrods:
2000 - Big Trouble (re-released as Bigger Trouble 2005)

Howling Wolf Orchestra:
2000 - Speedtraps for the Bee Kingdom

Keene Brothers:
2006 - Blues and Boogie Shoes

Lexo and the Leapers: (Robert Pollard backed by The Tasties)
1999 - Ask Them

Lifeguards
2003 - Mist King Urth

The Moping Swans
2005 - Lightninghead to Coffee Pot

Nightwalker (a GBV alias)
1999 - In Shop We Build Electric Chairs: Professional Music by Nightwalker 1984-1993

Phantom Tollbooth:
2003 - Beard of Lighting

Psycho and the Birds:
2006 - All That is Holy

The Takeovers:
2006 - Turn to Red


Note: Bob Pollard was born in 1957, so he not drastically younger than the people in Fleetwood Mac (and is actually older than Bekka).
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Old 05-12-2007, 12:42 AM
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Frankly, I'm bored to tears with it all. I'm really not a fan of the solo albums. I find I can only take so much of a particular singer's shtick.

Lindsey Buckingham: A few artsy-Lindsey songs go a long way (which is good, considering how often he releases material), but after a while, it comes off as self-absorbed, self-indulgent arrogance. The fact that he’s the guy who penned “Go Your Own Way” automatically eliminates him from being Joni Mitchell with a penis, so quit trying to shove that routine down our throats already!

Stevie Nicks: Okay, the ethereal thing was killer back in 1977, when we had “Star Wars” scenes airbrushed on our vans. And, much like those vans, it seems pretty pathetic 30 years later. Whenever I see a mystical song on a new Stevie Nicks album, it makes me appreciate Grace Slick’s decision to bow out gracefully (or at least until she went bat **** crazy, but that’s another discussion). Plus, Stevie’s limited vocal range and limited abilities as a songwriter (specifically in terms of chording) can make for an album that gets boring after about twenty minutes. In short, a twenty something space cadet is downright cute. A sixty something space cadet is utterly sad. A Bob Dylan with a vagina you are not, Miss Stevie!

Christine McVie: As much as I love her voice, her lyrics are trite and often laced in cliché. That tends to wear on me after a while, and bores me to tears.

This is why I think they were great together (at least until “Tusk”). There really wasn’t time to get bored with any particular member, and they were all bringing their best material to the band. They were very different, but the harmonies and Fleetwood-McVie rhythm section tied it all nicely together.


I could also write about the other members of Fleetwood Mac, but I’ll keep it to just the “Rumours” singer/songwriters. All I will say is that my favorite recent solo album is Jeremy Spencer’s. He sings classic Robert Johnson/Elmore James songs and then throws in songs with heavy political and religious messages. While I might not agree completely, I love how ballsy and honest that is. He didn’t care what anybody thought and did not play to a specific audience. He played the classics he loved AND spoke his mind, and that’s completely refreshing and certainly worthy of respect.

Still, as expressed by others, my enthusiasm has nose-dived in recent years, mainly because I’ve listened to everything so much that it’s really lost its point. The new stuff is okay, but lacks a lot of the spark that kept my interest going for so long. Oh, I'll see them when they come to town, but I'm not sure I'll make an effort to go on a road trip. I could have met Lindsey this past fall, but figured it was pointless. Plus, I’ve been following hockey pretty closely the last few years, which has taken a huge chunk out of my music time. When I do listen to music, I tend to go indie and/or alt.country (and, classic country, for that matter) these days.
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Old 05-12-2007, 05:27 AM
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Well, they don't need to make 6 albums in 5 years or whatever it is because A) There really is no such thing as a 5 record deal anymore, and B) Because they're still richer than God and don't need to be doing that. It's all about the $$$, as if there was any doubt.
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I just realized that in the same period of time since Say You Will came out, Fleetwood Mac released six albums (Future Games, Bare Trees, Penguin, Mystery To Me, Heroes Are Hard To Find, and Fleetwood Mac) and had five lineup changes.

What have we gotten in the last four years? A fairly average live concert DVD, another greatest hits CD from Stevie, lots of confusing doublespeak, and a solo album that music critics went gaga ape**** over but couldn't make an impression on the general public.

Boo.
I concur. Putting of all of the touring aside, the volume (or lack there of) of their recorded/released material is abysmal. Granted, even during their heyday in the seventies, by industry standards, they were a band considered slow at work. Yet in 5 years they released 3 albums. I wish they were that slow today.

To add insult to injury, they can't even manage to get it together to give proper treatment to their already released material -- such as remasters of Mirage and Tango, Buckingham Nicks, plus various videos/material waiting for DVD release.

Most fans are lucky to be able to attend possibly one show each tour, if that. So all the touring in the world does nothing for fans who grow seven years older before they can expect something new.
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honestly, i don't even care anymore i still love FM and stevie, but i've moved onto other artists. i guess i'm kind of sad that i'm not sad that i don't think stevie will release another album.

wow, that is one ****ed up sentence.
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honestly, i don't even care anymore i still love FM and stevie, but i've moved onto other artists. i guess i'm kind of sad that i'm not sad that i don't think stevie will release another album.

wow, that is one ****ed up sentence.
****ed up is as ****ed up does, right?

and I'm witchu on all of dat.
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Old 05-10-2007, 03:14 PM
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honestly, i don't even care anymore i still love FM and stevie, but i've moved onto other artists. i guess i'm kind of sad that i'm not sad that i don't think stevie will release another album.

wow, that is one ****ed up sentence.
Im exactly the same - I don't really care if Fleetwood Mac record another album, I want Stevie to - but Im not holding my breath

and lol @ HejiraNYC calling Christine's album sublime

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and lol @ HejiraNYC calling Christine's album sublime
It's a great record!
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It's a great record!
Its nice enough - I'd hardly call it sublime though...
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honestly, i don't even care anymore i still love FM and stevie, but i've moved onto other artists. i guess i'm kind of sad that i'm not sad that i don't think stevie will release another album.

wow, that is one ****ed up sentence.
Hm, yeah. Count me in in the not caring department also, but for me it's not lack of interest or that I have moved on, it's just that I don't expect it anymore, so that makes it a lot more easy not to care. I think Stevie is doing her thang, whatever that may be, and if she's happy, so be it. I've made peace with that quite a while ago. In fact, all of Stevie's fans should wear t-shirts saying: It's easier to accept if you don't expect. It's applicable to albums, european tours, setlists, you name it.
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honestly, i don't even care anymore i still love FM and stevie, but i've moved onto other artists. i guess i'm kind of sad that i'm not sad that i don't think stevie will release another album.

wow, that is one ****ed up sentence.

it may be fukced up, but it totally made sense of exactly how i feel.

you nailed it. 100%. i completely agree.
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