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This album and line up is one of the most perplexed combinations. I know some fans really liked this, while most others seemed to loathe it. I like the album with the artists that recorded it....but I have a hard time accepting it as an FM album.
The reason for the post and my theory in regards to it "not" being a FM album opposed to BTM being one, is: (If you own a copy) Check out the liner notes and the additional players listed. After each CM song, Michael Thompson – guitars on tracks 2, 5, 8, 10 & 12 is listed. And on some of the others tracks 3, 4 & 9, Steve Thoma – keyboards is listed. Chris wasn't even present when they did the photo shoot, she is only pictured with Mick and John, not at all in a full group shot. I think I read somewhere that Chris didn't care for the idea of Dave Mason joining/recording with the band. Whether there is any truth to that, I have no idea, but I am very curious as to why and the circumstances surrounding why Chris was not present for the other band members' recordings. It's almost as if CM recorded her vocals/keys and guitar and sent in the recordings to the band. Which, I believe isn't far from the truth. Now the same could be said about SN during TITN recording, and I would also have to agree with that. Any thoughts or knowledge about the recording of Time? Not many on here like to discuss, listen, or even acknowledge that Time existed. But, I actually like the album. I'd like some expert opinions from ChiliD, SteveMac, or any one else that would like to chime in. Thx. |
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Time, as it was released, was pretty much a "compromise" album. WB had rejected the original album that was submitted with the title Another Link In The Chain due to Christine's complete absence from the album. It was all Bekka, Billy & Dave's compositions. Christine's songs were hurredly recorded & assembled in order to comply with WB's demands that (supposedly) she was contractually obligated to appear on Fleetwood Mac albums. I'm sure that the lingering mutual dislike between Christine & Dave Mason DID have something to do with his not appearing on her songs, but it also might be that he wasn't available to do those sessions due to other obligations. Plus, since Bekka, Billy & Dave's material that was included was already completed, so there was really no need to go back and re-record those tunes with Christine...that would've been a waste of time & money.
There were promotional photos released with both Christine & Dave together with Mick, John, Bekka & Billy. So, they co-existed for at least as long as the photo session took. I think those might even have been taken after the artwork for the CD booklet was already completed. I think whoever tracked the songs did a horrid job, basically magnifying the disjointed feel of the album. Thanks to the capability of reprogramming the running order of a CD (and now with iTunes playlists), a more flowing tracking CAN be obtained. Once again, here's what I came up with: I DO TALKIN' TO MY HEART I WONDER WHY WINDS OF CHANGE SOONER OR LATER DREAMING THE DREAM NIGHTS IN ESTORIL NOTHING WITHOUT YOU I GOT IT IN FOR YOU HOLLYWOOD (SOME OTHER KIND OF TOWN) BLOW BY BLOW THESE STRANGE TIMES ALL OVER AGAIN
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Talkin’ To My Heart: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Christine Hollywood: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson Blow By Blow: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Thoma Winds Of Change: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Christine I Do: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, Christine, and Thompson (note Tompson is listed as "additional guitar") Nothing Without You: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, Christine, and Lindsey Dreamin’ The Dream: Bekka, Billy, and Christine (maybe Dave?) Sooner Or Later: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson, Tackett I Wonder Why: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, Christine, and Thoma Nights In Estoril: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson I Got It In For You: Mick, John, Bekka, Billy, Dave, and Christine All Over Again: Mick, John, Christine, Thompson These Strange Times: Mick, John, Bekka, Lucy, Jones So, I think all of the Bekka and Billy stuff is just the actual members of the band. Quote:
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Thx for the hard work and research you two put into these posts...very interesting. And of course it clears up some of the confussion.
Thx for the great pic's posted by SteveMacD, Chris and Bekka look gorgeous and Chris (although smiling) leaning forward in an apprehensive way confirms (possibly) Chris' discomfort with this line-up. As you proved me wrong Steve, I was only speculating Chris was absent b/c I have never seen these photos, I was not posting it as a FACT. thx again for posting |
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I was just kidding around. But, I do find it odd that they didn't use this picture anywhere on the cover.
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Time isn't a bad album.
Stevie and Lindsey were gone and Christine was just there to provide five songs to the album. Billy didn't really get much attention during his Mac tenure, getting lost in the mix (if you will) essentially making him a "new" member along with Bekka and Dave. Of course Mick and John were there so yes it was still Fleetwood Mac, but they aren't singer/songwriters and the faces of the band like Christine, Stevie, and Lindsey and as Peter and Bob Welch were during their tenures. |
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I don't disagree that Billy wasn't exactly the face of the band at that point, but neither was Bob Welch in 1973, except for the handful of fans that were giving it a chance, regardless of who was in it.
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Time is a much better album, IMO, than Mask. Bekka and Billy sound especially good. I don't see the logic in including Dave Mason. But otherwise, the songs and performances are strong.
My only other complaint is the cheesy sounding keyboard tones. Christine's approach is fine, as is her playing. But the sound of the electric keyboard is tinny and cheap. I like the running order of the songs. So long as Mason's contributions are removed. |
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If it had continued, I think Christine and Dave would have been gone by the next record. With the whole alt.country thing from the mid to late '90s, it could have been interesting.
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I'm enjoying the Time love replies.
To me, this album is a pretty straight forward rock and blues album...with a little country thrown in. I agree with the poster that said Dave's contributions wasn't needed, but since Billy had quit, I can now see why he was needed. Right after SN and CM annouced they were now longer touring the band...I envisioned a 4 piece with just the guys carrying on. Some of the pics in the BTM tour book (just the guys) made me wonder what kind of rock and blues future this quartet would have pulled off. I would have bought a ticket to that show. |
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No keyboard player so the opening chords were done on guitar, I suppose Rick played lead while Billy did rhythm and other guy played bass? |
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First, he started filling in for members of Fleetwood Mac with other artists. Then he started playing with various members of Fleetwood Mac... Mick Fleetwood... Lindsey Buckingham... (Hey, that guy standing right next to George looks familiar...) Mick Fleetwood's Zoo... Christine McVie... Billy Burnette... Sang harmonies on John McVie's solo record... And Bekka Bramlett (who understands what it's like filling in for Stevie Nicks).
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