How would we feel?

Gailh · #1 03-09-2005, 01:59 PM

I was watching the TV news the other night and along came the usual bit about Michael Jackson and his trial. Many of his fans were outside the court showing their support and I must admit my first thought was "nutters".

Then I thought how would I feel if one of FM had been accused of something so horrendous as that?

I personally would be mortified if there was the slightest hint of that kind of behaviour. I mean we all know they've behaved badly in the past (sex and drugs and rock 'n roll) but I don't know how I'd react to an accusation of that nature. Not that I'm suggesting for one minute that it could ever be a possibility.

Any thoughts?

Gail

Neal · #2 03-09-2005, 02:11 PM

I don't have a problem seperating the person from their work, i.e. I think MJ's as guilty as they come, but I still own and listen to his music. So if a member of FM were to be charged with similar allegations, it'd be extremely hard to hear/watch but I wouldn't go destroy my collection. Nor would I be picketing outside the courthouse...

DrummerDeanna · #3 03-09-2005, 02:23 PM

Wow - that's actually an interesting question - because in the case of MJ - or a crime like he allegedly committed...I can't separate the man from the crime - because I'd feel like my support of him would contribute to a child molester or something...

Like I wouldn't see the movie Powder because one of the producers or something was supposedly convited of child molestation??

So I'd be really upset if a Mac member or other entertainer I liked was accused of something like that - I don't know how I'd feel or what I'd do...

One thing I know FOR SURE is that I would not be outside of a courtroom showing "support" or cheering them on or whatever...I don't personally know the people and therefore would feel no need to be near the courtroom...

dissention · #4 03-10-2005, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Like I wouldn't see the movie Powder because one of the producers or something was supposedly convited of child molestation??

OMG, that made me SICK. Truly disgusting. It's the same guy that directed Jeeper Creepers, too.

DrummerDeanna · #5 03-10-2005, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

OMG, that made me SICK. Truly disgusting. It's the same guy that directed Jeeper Creepers, too.

Ugh - yet another reason not to go near that movie..I should be more vigilant in what he's involved in because I also refuse to contribute any money to anyone who perpetrates a crime against a child....

sicko.

skcin · #6 03-10-2005, 02:57 PM

If it was one of the main members, I'm not sure what I'd do. Probably listen to their old stuff, but not continue to support them by purchasing merchandise, new material or concert tix. I certainly would not hang around outside the courthouse screaming like a lunatic.

In the case of supporting band members (like when Waddy was accused of the computer thing) that's a bit different. Why would I stop seeing/supporting Stevie just because one of her friends/employees/band members is evil? (I'm not implying that Waddy is evil. As Kelly mentioned, it was unfounded. It's just an example.) Maybe if Stevie was onstage yelling about how she loves that person & they're just misunderstood blah blah blah, then I might be pissed.

estranged4life · #7 03-09-2005, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal

I don't have a problem seperating the person from their work, i.e.

same goes for me...I like alot of musicians for their musical work though I absolutely hate their political/social views.

I have no problem separating musical work from a person's FUBAR personal life...What they do in their own personal non-entertaining me musically life is their own buz-i-ness, And if they are found guilty of a felony oh well, Ya do the crime you do the time (I know that from personal experience

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catinthedark · #8 03-09-2005, 02:42 PM

That is a really good question. I think that if any member of FM was accused of such a thing, I wouldn't be able to immediately jump to their defence or immediately be ready to convict. The whole MJ thing has been bubbling under for years and years, and there is much evidence that had many people wondering long before the charges were laid. I guess I would want to hear the evidence. But I certainly wouldn't offer my blind support before I knew what the investigators found out. If one of them was ever convicted of a major crime (sexual abuse, murder, etc.), it would truly shatter my respect and admiration for them. I don't think I'd be able to separate the art from the crime. It would forever tarnish their music and everything I'd ever felt about it for me. Shudder at the thought.

DrummerDeanna · #9 03-09-2005, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

same goes for me...I like alot of musicians for their musical work though I absolutely hate their political/social views.

I have no problem separating musical work from a person's FUBAR personal life...What they do in their own personal non-entertaining me musically life is their own buz-i-ness, And if they are found guilty of a felony oh well, Ya do the crime you do the time (I know that from personal experience

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Well - I have no problem separating political views etc....but child molestation!?! that's a pretty severe thing....and I don't think I could separate that....

I mean Loretta Lynn is a Republican ....great goo for her - I don't care, I love her music....but if she started molesting children...I'd totally have a problem with that...

estranged4life · #10 03-09-2005, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Well - I have no problem separating political views etc....but child molestation!?! that's a pretty severe thing....and I don't think I could separate that....

I mean Loretta Lynn is a Republican ....great goo for her - I don't care, I love her music....but if she started molesting children...I'd totally have a problem with that...

just agreeing with y'all is all...I still have Wacko Jacko's music, Will have it no matter the outcome of his trial (ie-"Money talks and the BULL**** walks"

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DrummerDeanna · #11 03-09-2005, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life

just agreeing with y'all is all...I still have Wacko Jacko's music, Will have it no matter the outcome of his trial (ie-"Money talks and the BULL**** walks"

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lol...I don't either...I've actually never like Michael Jackson so really it doesn't matter one way or the other what happens to him...I'm sure to many it does...but for me....I could care less and really wish he and this story would just go away already - I'm sick of seeing his nasty face all over the tv

GateandGarden · #12 03-10-2005, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna

Well - I have no problem separating political views etc....but child molestation!?! that's a pretty severe thing....and I don't think I could separate that....

I mean Loretta Lynn is a Republican ....great goo for her - I don't care, I love her music....but if she started molesting children...I'd totally have a problem with that...

I feel the same way. I love Reba McEntire and Sara Evans and other country music singers that are Republicans and it's easy for me to separate those things and make it all about the music. Child molestation is a different issue. I don't know how I would feel other than utterly disappointed if I knew that someone in FM was guilty of that. I know that I would be one of the last to believe the charges. If it came down to it that we had enough proof to know that it happened, then I imagine I wouldn't be able to listen to the music any longer. I would be thinking about what he or she has done too much to enjoy it. As Victoria already explained, there are some things one can easily overlook or learn to overlook, but that really isn't one of them, IMO.

paleshadow · #13 03-09-2005, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gailh

I was watching the TV news the other night and along came the usual bit about Michael Jackson and his trial. Many of his fans were outside the court showing their support and I must admit my first thought was "nutters".

Then I thought how would I feel if one of FM had been accused of something so horrendous as that?

I personally would be mortified if there was the slightest hint of that kind of behaviour. I mean we all know they've behaved badly in the past (sex and drugs and rock 'n roll) but I don't know how I'd react to an accusation of that nature. Not that I'm suggesting for one minute that it could ever be a possibility.

Any thoughts?

Gail

I think about this also sometimes. I understand that people feel like you should be able to seperate the professional from the personal in the case of entertainers. In cases where a crime may have been committed against someone else though, I feel differently, and especially when it's against a child.
I think if something like this were to happen to a member of the Mac, most peoples reaction would be shock and disbelief, but in the case of MJ, he has been establishing a pattern of deviant behavior for quite a while now. It is for that reason that I am a little bit surprised at the blind faith of his fans.

golddustdragon · #14 03-09-2005, 10:09 PM

The closest one of the Mac'ers committed a big crime was when John and his wife got arrested because a package of coke and firearms was sent to his house. They were innocent after a lie detector test. How would you all react if charges were brought against them.

diamondsnake · #15 03-09-2005, 11:31 PM

I was thinking about this the other day. If Stevie was accused of anything that dispicable I would never beleive it and would back her 100 percent. Of course, Stevie seems like a warm person to me and I could never imagine her deliberately hurting someone. Michael Jackson comes off as a perverted freak who belongs in a straight jacket and a paded cell. So, I really can not compare them I guess.