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Originally Posted by sparky

I realize this. I wonder where this behavior is coming from in 19-25 year olds ? Is it simply being part of a culture where it has all become acceptable ?

It could be that, or it could simply be that they are 19-25 year olds. There is nothing new about young people of any sexual orientation engaging in self-destructive behavior. I realize that the young guys aren't necessarily getting into speed because of cumulative grief. Many are simply experimenting with drugs, caving to peer pressure, etc.

I, for one, hope you do too.

Thank you!

I suspect it is my comments that you are interpreting as vitriol.

I used too harsh a word, and I wasn't just referring to your comments. "Judgemental" was probably a better word.

The truth is that I am disappointed, frustrated, and angry about what I have been seeing. If I meet one more guy who is handsome, interesting, educated, and otherwise healthy who has been up for two or three days high..I don't know what to do...scream ? Punch a wall ? Give up ?

First of all, me too. I have been rather shocked to see what is going on in the "scene" now that I'm trying to date again.

So I get your frustration and disappointment. But I also know that for every person you've described, there are a bunch of gay guys who don't get high and have the same values and approach to life that you do. I've been getting involved with a lot of social gay clubs in SF (book clubs, sports groups, etc.) and they are filled with these guys.

I just want to meet healthy guys who have it together, and they seem to be in short supply here is Los Angeles. But, that's okay. I am persistent, and I haven't been looking all that hard yet.

I don't know the LA gay community, but I imagine it might be harder to find the quality guys simply because the city is so spread out. San Francisco is small, with a zillion gay men in a tiny geographical area. So perhaps it's easier to find and meet people beyond the party/club/gym/bar scene.

I think your last sentence says a lot. Look hard, and I'll bet you'll find what you're looking for. There are tons of healthy gay men out there that will gravitate towards someone with your sensitivity and intellect.