[dissention]

Originally Posted by amber

Well, isn't quantum physics exactly the point of guaging the reactions of sub atomic things, upon other sub atomic things? sure, we can't see it in our real life, but scientist have seen it, and they've seen "it's" effect on other particles around it...that's how much of quantum physics operates, seeing the effects of things on other things. which they can see. and if equipment can see it, or it's effects, then, aren't we really seeing it? (ie, if it affects something we can measure, then isn't it really there?) I see your thing with seeing something, really, and does anyone really exist, or is it all perception, and all that, but since we can only talk about what we know...

But quantum physicists believe that nothing can be observed as it actually is, dear. They believe that it "changes" when we view it. So, they use statistical probabilities to reach their conclusions most of the time.

Originally Posted by amber

Oh, you are not concerned with how your actions, and the actions of your leaders, and everyone else, affect others? I'm sorry, I thought you were. oh, wait, I see. you said "when it comes to this discussion". But still, do you deny that we, and everyone that has come before us, do affect others? I think you denied it in your previous posts here. right? or, maybe you were speaking more generally, then, as well?

I've nothing to add to that because you don't seem to understand my position. If I want to talk about pollution, I'll start an environmental thread instead of discussing it in a thread that deals with rather existential issues, especially when pollution has nothing to do with what I'm trying to say.