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Originally Posted by dissention
But on the flip side, in regards to quantum physics, there's no way of really saying how something is affected by something else. When we observe something, we aren't seeing it in its natural state; it appears differently for us. It's altered for our sight. So how would it be possible to gauge the effects one thing has on another if we are never seeing something as it truly is? That is the question. 
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Well, isn't quantum physics exactly the point of guaging the reactions of sub atomic things, upon other sub atomic things? sure, we can't see it in our real life, but scientist have seen it, and they've seen "it's" effect on other particles around it...that's how much of quantum physics operates, seeing the effects of things on other things. which they can see.

and if equipment can see it, or it's effects, then, aren't we really seeing it? (ie, if it affects something we can measure, then isn't it really there?) I see your thing with seeing something, really, and does anyone really exist, or is it all perception, and all that, but since we can only talk about what we know...
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Originally Posted by Dissention
I am speaking more largely because I'm not concerned, when it comes to this discussion, how pollution affects people twenty years from now. And yes, you made a bit of sense. :P
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Oh, you are not concerned with how your actions, and the actions of your leaders, and everyone else, affect others? I'm sorry, I thought you were. oh, wait, I see. you said "when it comes to this discussion". But still, do you deny that we, and everyone that has come before us, do affect others? I think you denied it in your previous posts here. right? or, maybe you were speaking more generally, then, as well?
