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Originally Posted by face of glass
And yet you still always speak up whenever the usual "WISYA" brawl comes up. Honestly, is it really all about keeping the precious balance between Lindsey and Stevie for you?
Do not try to pretend that when you see a particularly harsh critique of "When I See You Again" your emotions are not stirred. Random opinions from random, unknown posters shouldn't bother anyone; when you see an established member of the board making a statement like that several times in a row then at least I would take it seriously.
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Am I not allowed to defend the merits of a song I like? Do I
have to give any weight to someone else's opinion, in order to still be allowed to disagree?
If someone says something sucks, and I disagree, then I'm going to open my mouth. Just as I expect someone to disagree with me when I dislike a song that they like.
The debates and the disagreements have never been an issue.
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Originally Posted by face of glass
Your entire paragraph there could knock over your "everyone in this world can relate to Stevie's songs, if they really try" theory.
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Not at all. I said that it doesn't matter to me if I'm the only one who likes a song... I didn't say that no one else is ABLE to like the song.
Big difference.
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Originally Posted by face of glass
Only in a couple of places do I see a thing like "in my opinion", or something like that. Otherwise you're stating the thing like you were stating a fact, a thing ChiliD criticizes Mylittledemon of in the that particular thread.
Traditionally on this board certain members have reminded other members of the fact that saying something sucks is quite different from saying one doesn't care for the song/album/whatever (see Wetcamelfood's post, the last one in the linked thread). I understand this personally. While it's easy to say that everyone on this board speaks for themselves, and that everything people type here should be taken with a grain of salt, it's not as simple in reality. Things like "IMO" are usually put there to cool things down.
In fact, I have even seen you criticizing certain people (you know who I'm referring to) for typing down similar things you just did in a thread, about a particular song. Which is why it was surprising to see statements like this from you several times in a row.
I'm not even that moved by "Save Me A Place". I'm just here to speak for the people who obviously are tremendously moved by it. I believe they weren't that bothered by your opinion on it. I also believe they can speak for themselves, Dissention and Kate have shown to me that they sure can and will do it when they feel the need for it.
But the weirdest thing was that you actually answered to every one of their comments, and even still felt the need to add the obligatory "SMAP sucks" statement, dressed in various guises. So you hate the song? Why bother saying it multiple times within a short time-frame? In fact, it was only when I came around with my usual long-winded nose-picking that you started to tone that opinion down.
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I could just say that I'm only being funny.
I mean, everyone tells me to lighten up, and just take comments in a humourous way... so why can't I try my hand at that?
I guess I can't branch out a little, and try a different tact... I don't wear it well apparently.
Ah well.
While I didn't add "in my opinion" to every one of my statements, one of my initial comments was, "it's the only clunker on the album,
in my opinion."
But we'll fix the others...
"Sorry. "Save Me A Place" IS musical sludge,
IMO."
"Other than the harmonies, there's absolutely nothing of any interest going on in the song,
in my opinion. It's about as interesting as watching molasses roll up a hill in June,
IMHO.
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In my opinion, it makes me want to stick my head in an oven. Or slit my wrists. Or get a root-canal. Or watch paint dry."
"'Save Me A Place' isn't esoteric... it's just boring,
IMVHO."
"'Save Me A Place' sucks,
IMO. I can't help it,
it's my opinion.
I'm not trying to be spiteful or purposefully bitchy... it just sucks,
IMHO. "
There we go.
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Originally Posted by face of glass
I have learned to like "Everywhere" and it never took that long, at first though I felt it threatened my values of good music and my appreciation of Fleetwood Mac. It isn't all that different from what Chris did before, it was just the utter minimalism of it that initially seemed inappropriate. That's something that Chris rarely tried, maybe that's why it's still not too convincing. But a heartfelt thing it is, all the same. If I called it "housewife music", I never intended that statement to be a bashing one.
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It sure didn't sound like a vote of approval... especially when you were offering it as the reason to vote the song off.
I guess you and I just have a hard time articulating ourselves when it comes to likes and dislikes regarding Fleetwood Mac.