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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
What percentage would it take for you not to vote for Kerry? And how do you know he will be that much better than Kerry?
Why are middle-of-the-road Democrats so insistent on deluding themselves? Bush lied to get into Iraq. I knew it then. I know it now. Clinton lied to get into the Kosovo conflict. But he was lucky enough not to get any Americans killed. Clinton lied about a lot of things.
Why do I bring up Clinton? Because like to admit it or not, the country continued to veer to the right while he was in office. With Bush, this has accelerated. With Kerry, the rightward turn will slow, but it will not turn left by any stretch of the imagination. Kerry sucks for the reasons I posted earlier. I understand the pragmatism of those who want Bush out, but when Kerry loses and the Democrat voters get frustrated, are they going to take a look at themselves and ever realize why their candidate lost? Are they going to recognize that supporting a guy who is nothing but Republican Lite is a ****ty strategy? Not likely. They'll find some scapegoat or other: the media, Nader, the Republican lies, whatever.
The Democrats need good candidates who are a real alternative. A vote for Kerry is a vote for Bush, and that is unacceptable.
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Let me put it this way... as long as W. is the opponent, there is no way that I will vote for anyone other than the Democratic candidate.
If there was a very real way for a candidate from another party to unseat Bush, then perhaps I'd change my mind... but there isn't. And I'm sorry but voting for Nader or anyone else, is a wasted vote right now. And this election is too important to waste your vote.
I realize that Kerry is not going to miraculously turn the tides towards the left, but if you had a gaping wound, you'd put a bandage over it, wouldn't you? The bandage isn't going to heal the wound, but it would at least stop the hemorrhaging, and give you enough time to do something about it... and that's what we need to do.
Surely you can see that this country is filled with extreme conservatives, and it surprises me that you think an extreme liberal is going to win the amount of votes it would take to beat an extreme conservative. Republicans vote in far larger numbers than Democrats do.
I can't imagine that's entirely because of a lack of decent Democratic candidates for the party to support, but rather a concerted effort by the Republican Party to ensure that they continue their stranglehold.
So in order to be more "palatable" to the faction of Republicans who find themselves leaning towards the liberal side, the Democratic candidate has to try to appeal to their sensibilities, as well as still trying to appeal to the sensibilities of the more liberal voters.
It's a tightrope that they have to walk very delicately, in order to reach the broadest amount of voters possible.
So what we need to do, is to stop squabbling about whether the Democratic candidate is too conservative, or if he's truly liberal, and just
get out and vote to get W. out of the White House, plain and simple.
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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
What percentage would it take for you not to vote for Kerry? And how do you know he will be that much better than Kerry?
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Obviously you meant Bush.
And I'll tell you one very good reason I know Kerry will be better than Bush... he and John Edwards plan to vote against the amendment to ban gay marriages, while Bush is actively supporting it.
So while Kerry may not be doing cartwheels in support of gay marriage, he's also not doing everything in his power to stop it... and that's all the proof I need that he's a better man for the job than George W. Bush.
I'll be damned if a man who's had a cocaine addiction and an alcohol addiction, and has had numerous shady business dealings, is going to tell ME what's good for "the moral fabric" of this country.