[strandinthewind]

I guess I do not see those example as example of self-indulgence because when I think of that term, I think of someone behaing badly, etc. I do not think La Nicks or LB do that. Perhaps self-absorbed, which, although I like it alot, "Ghosts" is too me because she is beginning the 10 or more years of whining in songs about her life and no husband? In any event, I think Illume was not either of those terms per se.