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Old 01-06-2004, 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by trackaghost
The more people that love you, the more people that hate you too I guess. It's the curse of popularity
Yep. After all, one can’t possibly like the most popular ones because they only appeal to the braindead masses. #1 rule of The Rolling Stone school of rock criticism.

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Originally posted by trackaghost
Keeping this is mind, I still can't help feeling peeved with this ongoing argument that Stevie owes everything to Lindsey and his magic touch, blah, blah, blah, etc, etc, etc.
Ah yes. I remember what you wrote on the subject earlier in another thread:

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Originally posted by trackaghost
I also feel uncomfortable with all this, because it seems like a symptom of the general reluctance of people to give women in the music industry credit for their own work. I've seen it with so many of my favourite artists. Female singer/songwriters and musicians always get overlooked as credible artists. It's a shame because I do think Stevie and others like her, have fought hard to be thought of as serious songwriters.
If this is a feminist statement of sorts then I do sympathize with the view. However, it all depends on what you listen to in music. So you’re pleased with several Stevie demos, including those that are barebones and have her voice with the usual Nicksian chords? Fine. It’s not like I feel totally unmoved by those. But I’m personally not satisfied with that approach. If I was handed out an album full of that stuff I couldn’t bare listening to them straight through. I always pay attention to the way the overall track sounds the most and that’s why I’m bound to give more credit to Lindsey than to Stevie. It’s he who puts the diversity in and that’s one of the main attractions to me in music. He doesn’t, however, put in the Nicksian personality; that’s what Stevie does. I believe that without Stevie’s voice and lyrics Lindsey wouldn’t be able to create such a magnificent arrangement. There has to be something to be built on anyway. I will never give Lindsey the full credit on any success a particular Nickssong might have. It’s 50/50 and it will always be so for me.

Sharon, shouldn’t you be doing something else anyway? Like reading my PM, for instance.

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Originally posted by Johnny Stew
I'm not sure of Eric's motivations, but I know... and he'd be the first one to admit this... that he's not really a major fan of Stevie's work, so I don't think it was his intention to divert blame towards Lindsey, in order to defend Stevie. After all, Stevie definitely didn't escape his criticism here either!
I’m not going to guess his motivations either. Of course, if you look at the “Favourite FM song” thread, there are two Nicks songs in his list and nothing by Buckingham. Not to mention that he’s clearly criticized Lindsey in some aspects before. But never mind. I apologize Eric if what I’m writing seems rude. I definitely thought this was rude too:

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Originally posted by EricBliss12345
In my opinion, he let her make a complete ass out of herself on that one because he just didn't give a ****.
If that was supposed to be humorous, I’m not laughing. I know the reputation of the 1987 Buckingham isn’t the best possible among the FM fan community, but I still think that if that quote is a serious statement then it just can’t go unanswered. If it was intended to generate some fuss, it sure did succeed. Thanks to my Finnish stubbornness.

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Originally posted by Johnny Stew
In the past, Stevie has said that she didn't have as much control over the outcome of her songs as she would have liked to have had, within Fleetwood Mac. I think she used the term "hi-jacked" once, in describing how she sometimes felt her songs were no longer in her hands.
Yes, that’s probably what the dedication on the inner sleeve of Bella Donna, “to Jimmy… for giving me back my music”, was referring to. I’m not going to comment on particular songs where this “hi-jacking” might have happened. I just think it didn’t happen with “When I See You Again” at all. The demo hasn’t been changed in any significant way. The song is therefore an anomaly on a Fleetwood Mac album. It gains something because of this fact; that they had guts to give us something so stripped down at a time when FM were known of their studio polish. Give me another one of this type with the same old Nickschords and it’s on the same level as Stevie’s recent stripped-down demos for me.

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They had other tracks to choose from... "What Has Rock And Roll Done For You,"
In which case I’m not surprised they picked “WISYA”.

But I’m sorry if I did violate the “rules of the thread” and started to write some negative things into it.
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