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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Again, on the smoking, I think that's fair. I feel the same about obesity(barring a medical condition CAUSING the obesity). If you smoke, you should pay more. If you choose to weigh 400 lbs, you should pay more. And conversely, if you're healthy, with no high risk issues, you should pay less.

Okay, so the healthy guy, who makes a good living, pays the most, and the 400 lb guy, who smokes and has made poor health choices their entire life, and is constantly taxing the system, gets it for free??? Am I the only one viewing it from this standpoint? Because for me, that IS the situation, and it pisses me off.

Yes I agree.Smokers should pay more.I will fall into the obesity dept if I quit walking and keep snacking on junk food in front of this computer.I got to keep walking and eat some carrots or some cucumbers instead of a bag potato chip.

Originally Posted by becca

They're starting to deny treatment in Canada to certain people it's fashionable to blame for their decisions. I expect the U.S. will follow. I don't know, people living in poor areas often have little access to affordable quality food. I was very anti-smoking growing up, but I had all but one family member (a grandmother) smoking, including my only (older) brother... by high school all my friends but me smoked. Eventually I found if i smoked I got a lot less sick from the second-hand smoke. Have been quit for over a decade now but should the time I did smoke count against me, or the second-hand smoke I often cannot avoid?

Obamacare/affordable care... it seems the thing most object to is having something being mandatory. It's mandatory in Canada but you have only one source for it (though there are extended plans that are private). Over time though procedures once covered have been 'de-listed' from the program everyone has to be in, although a few things have also been added. You are now more like we were in the '50s-'60s where you had to have it but could buy from a number of companies. It's the same with auto insurance here now; one government run company... but you are not getting that so I think it's a bit extreme to say it is government run health-care. Medicare and Medicaid are government run health care, and whatever the VA offers. Affordable care is just making it mandatory or you pay a penalty, and with more people in the pool costs come down for many. If you had no insurance and didn't want it (trusted in luck to stay healthy) then you can complain I suppose. A step toward socialism (never mind communism) though, I think is not the case.

It's also baffling, especially to outsiders perhaps, how Romney could be for the same thing as a republican in Massachusetts, and be extremely against it nationally.

Yes I agree on the costs if more are in the pool.

Originally Posted by Jondalar

Well, what people who are single with no kids? Why should we pay for other people's kids?

Originally Posted by HomerMcvie

Agreed! No more school tax for childless people, too!

I agree with both of you.Thats been said for a long time.
But they will come back and say .Who's been paying for the schooling for us when we were going.